Goodby to Hawaii

In article <1116868212-sch@news.lava.net>,
"Alvin E. Toda" <aet@lava.net> wrote:


> Lighten up.

this means nothing.


>Let's have more aloha for those who want to
> move to Hawaii.

why?


> Honolulu is a lot better off than other mainland
> cities.

Honolulu NOW resembles just another mainland city.
another problem is the constant comparing to other mainland cities and
the need for Honolulu to compete with them.



>We are doing quite well for the isolation we
> have.


'da hell?!
wow.
Here's someone who should get out a little more often.

Here in Ottawa my community built a flower/rock garden.
with a small green and gold sign to identify the area.
Residents repaint the sign as required to keep it fresh
and attractive. We also volunteer to replant the flowers
and do the Fall digup of the dead materials.
We also volunteer to clean up sections of various streets
in the Spring.. removing papers, cups, cans.
A contractor built the flower/rock garden at a cost
or $25,000.. the cost shared by a $250 levy to each
household.
The appearance is changed every year with a new planting
of flowers. Many wedding parties take pictures at the
location.
--
Longing to be closer to to the sun, the wind and the sea!
Spiritually at: Latitude 21 degrees 19' 9" North. _!_
Longtitude 157 degrees 56' 31" West. Aloha! ___o_(_)_o___
q

On Mon, 23 May 2005, kimo wrote:

> In article <1116868212-sch@news.lava.net>,
> "Alvin E. Toda" <aet@lava.net> wrote:
> >Let's have more aloha for those who want to
> > move to Hawaii.
>
> why?

An old tradition here in the islands.

> > Honolulu is a lot better off than other mainland
> > cities.
>
> Honolulu NOW resembles just another mainland city.
> another problem is the constant comparing to other
> mainland cities and the need for Honolulu to compete
> with them.

On the contrary, we have one of the better bus systems
in the country-- wide coverage, and a very efficient
operation and very reasonable. We have had a lot of
successes in urban renewal-- China Town and Kaimuki--,
and IIRC success in affordable housing until the
Japanese bubble burst. We also have had a lot of
success in improving the appearance of tourist
destinations such as Waikiki. For example, I like the
new Waikiki Bandshell, Kalakaua, and Kuhio. And we
finally have a plan for bikeways.

> >We are doing quite well for the isolation we
> > have.
>
>
> 'da hell?! wow. Here's someone who should get out a
> little more often.

Hardly...But I think perhaps your perspective is kind
of narrow, and you don't look at changes over the last
40 years and how we could have really screwed up
Honolulu and been in a lot worse situation than we have
been.

Also, you tend to buy into the poor reporting of the
newspapers. If you still think that every community
should have the same kind of sign for their community,
then you really don't understand how things get
decided, and really don't appreciate the diversity of
viewpoints on these issues. Often, I think the papers'
reporting is incomplete or inaccurate, and they have
pretty biased editorials.

--alvin

"kimo" <kimolanikaim> wrote in message
news:1116999011-sch@news.lava.net...
>
> But hey! Can't stop progress!
>
> sheesh.
> makes an intelligent person sick.
>
I do not think you can stop progress, that is like saying you can stop
you
and I from thinking. That is what brought mankind to the point it is
today.
It started from the discovery of fire and its uses, to the first
implements
they used, and continues with innovations you and I use all the time,
like
this computer.

In article <1116959705-sch@news.lava.net>,
"Alvin E. Toda" <aet@lava.net> wrote:


> Locals need to live amid this change that is taking
> place. "Progress" is inevitable and we should have a
> say in just what kind of "progress" we will have.
> Everyone who is a "foreigner" will become a "local"
> sooner or later. And why is "overdevelopment" so
> feared? We need to be a little more smart about our
> future,


I fear this pernicious perspective.
And that last sentence.

On Fri, 27 May 2005, kimo wrote:

> In article <1117094412-sch@news.lava.net>,
> "Alvin E. Toda" <aet@lava.net> wrote:
>
>> "And why is "overdevelopment" so feared? We need to
>> be a little more smart about our future, rather than
>> being afraid and angry, or in denial that if we just
>> protest enough, that it will never happen. There's
>> a lot that we can learn for a better future. "
>
> hmmmm...
> "And why is "overdevelopment" so feared?"
>
> your powers of perception and cognitive abilities are
> seriously in question, making much that you respond
> with, very suspect. Apparently you don't want to
> "learn for a better future".

You really meant to say the you, Kimo, "don't want..."?

> Read the original post that started this thread.
> Here; I will hand it to you:
>
> "Oahu is NOT the mainland and we don't want to be the
> mainland. It already has too much congestion,
> development and too many people swarming in. The

> Hope (pro-development proponents) or one of their
> relatives is the one that get make, die, dead, as
> they lie in an ambulance trying to get to a hospital,
> stuck on the city hiways. Economic development at all
> costs is killing the future of Hawaii."

And the latter is my point. Where's the aloha?

--alvin

In article <1117254012-sch@news.lava.net>,
"Alvin E. Toda" <aet@lava.net> wrote:

>
> And the latter is my point. Where's the aloha?
>
> --alvin

duuuuh.


No aloha.
nowhere.
When there is wanton destruction of the aina...
and decimation of the culture.

On Sat, 28 May 2005, kimo wrote:

> In article <1117254012-sch@news.lava.net>,
> "Alvin E. Toda" <aet@lava.net> wrote:
>
>> And the latter is my point. Where's the aloha?
>
> duuuuh.
>
> No aloha. nowhere. When there is wanton destruction
> of the aina... and decimation of the culture.

Then as some say, you reap what you sow. Fear and anger
is a poor substitute for better knowledge of handling
problems of the environment and love and aloha for all
people. With the latter you may have a change to get
some change by working with others in a meaningful and
effective way.

--alvin