The gambling lobby is doing it again...

It seems that they never give up. The latest is to have
a popular vote on the casino gambling without being
binding on legislators (HB 76), but at the same time,
have a constitution amendment passed that would make
the popular vote a law (SB 881).

Why not vote on a constitutional ammendment to make
casino gambling illegal in Hawaii? It seems that just
having a law will not stop gambling interests from
trying to legalize it.

--alvin

"Alvin E. Toda" <aet@lava.net> wrote in message
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>
> It seems that they never give up. The latest is
> to have
> a popular vote on the casino gambling without
> being
> binding on legislators (HB 76), but at the same
> time,
> have a constitution amendment passed that would
> make
> the popular vote a law (SB 881).

Living in California all of my working career, I
kind of like the idea that the "people" get to
vote on an issue that someone has decided we
should have the opportunity to decide, i.e. the
proposition.
>
> Why not vote on a constitutional ammendment to
> make
> casino gambling illegal in Hawaii? It seems that
> just
> having a law will not stop gambling interests
> from
> trying to legalize it.
>
No problem with that. I am all for letting the
people decide.

"Alvin E. Toda" <aet@lava.net> wrote in message
news:1109873412-sch@news.lava.net...
>
> It seems that they never give up. The latest is to have
> a popular vote on the casino gambling without being
> binding on legislators (HB 76), but at the same time,
> have a constitution amendment passed that would make
> the popular vote a law (SB 881).

Gambling in Hawaii is alive and healthy. You can play poker, blackjack,
and
just about any other casino
game online. You can also play the ponies and certainly sports-betting
is at
an all-time high. Problem is, all the
revenue from these gambling activities goes to off-shore companies.
CRIS an
offshore sportsbook based in
Costa Rica took in almost 500 million in sports wagers last year. Most
of
their action came from here in the states
and without a penny going to our government. And, it can't be stopped.
So
why not regulate it, tax it, and make it
legal.

RK

On Sun, 6 Mar 2005, Kay Cee wrote:

> "Alvin E. Toda" <aet@lava.net> wrote in message
> news:1109873412-sch@news.lava.net...
>>
>> It seems that they never give up. The latest is to
>> have a popular vote on the casino gambling without
>> being binding on legislators (HB 76), but at the
>> same time, have a constitution amendment passed that
>> would make the popular vote a law (SB 881).
>
> Gambling in Hawaii is alive and healthy. You can play
> poker, blackjack, and just about any other casino
> game online. You can also play the ponies and
> certainly sports-betting is at an all-time high.
> Problem is, all the revenue from these gambling
> activities goes to off-shore companies.

You forgot to mention that social gambling is also
legal here. So that people that want to gamble here in
Hawaii, have no problem finding games offline or on.

However, I'm not so sure about whether an online game
would give you credit so you could bet your house and
all your possessions on a roll of the dice. For that
you have to visit the casinos of Las Vegas. Let's just
keep it that way. Support keeping casinos OUT of
Hawaii.

> can't be stopped. So why not regulate it, tax it, and
> make it legal.

Why not keep it from rearing it's ugly head in Hawaii?

--alvin

"Alvin E. Toda" <aet@lava.net> wrote in message
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>

>
> You forgot to mention that social gambling is
> also
> legal here. So that people that want to gamble
> here in
> Hawaii, have no problem finding games offline or
> on.
>
> However, I'm not so sure about whether an online
> game
> would give you credit so you could bet your
> house and
> all your possessions on a roll of the dice. For
> that
> you have to visit the casinos of Las Vegas.
> Let's just
> keep it that way. Support keeping casinos OUT of
> Hawaii.

You cannot do it in Vegas either.

On Mon, 7 Mar 2005, Jerry Okamura wrote:

> "Alvin E. Toda" <aet@lava.net> wrote in message
> news:1110135900-sch@news.lava.net...

>> However, I'm not so sure about whether an online
>> game
>> would give you credit so you could bet your
>> house and
>> all your possessions on a roll of the dice. For
>> that
>> you have to visit the casinos of Las Vegas.
>> Let's just
>> keep it that way. Support keeping casinos OUT of
>> Hawaii.
>
> You cannot do it in Vegas either.

That's not what you said the last time.

"Alvin E. Toda" <aet@lava.net> wrote in message
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>
> On Mon, 7 Mar 2005, Jerry Okamura wrote:
>
>> "Alvin E. Toda" <aet@lava.net> wrote in message
>> news:1110135900-sch@news.lava.net...
>
>>> However, I'm not so sure about whether an
>>> online
>>> game
>>> would give you credit so you could bet your
>>> house and
>>> all your possessions on a roll of the dice.
>>> For
>>> that
>>> you have to visit the casinos of Las Vegas.
>>> Let's just
>>> keep it that way. Support keeping casinos OUT
>>> of
>>> Hawaii.
>>
>> You cannot do it in Vegas either.
>
> That's not what you said the last time.
>

I never said that the casino will take your house
as collateral for a loan.

Hawaiians must be vigilant before allowing casinos on
the most beautiful place on the planet.

To see the future of Hawai`i.. just look at Las Vegas..
and speak to the experts and the victims.

The casino owners and the developers will make huge profits.
The citizens will lose fortunes.. and in many cases will
become addicted to gaming.. often ending in suicide.

The Insider TV program starring Pat O'Brien currently shows
the disasters awaiting the gamblers.

--
Longing to be closer to to the sun, the wind and the sea!
Spiritually at: Latitude 21 degrees 19' 9" North. _!_
Longtitude 157 degrees 56' 31" West. Aloha! ___o_(_)_o___
q

Alvin E. Toda wrote:
>
> Brothels used to bring in a lot of money too, into
> Hawaii. Are you suggesting we go back to that also?

Think about this ...

tution exists here and now. It's been illegal for
a long time, but that didn't make it go away.

Making it legal (again) would make it safer (think
registration, medical exams, etc.) - and bring in
some probably fairly large amount of taxes ...

> Or
> maybe like in Las Vegas-- have the brothels in the
> outer islands while the casinos stay in Waikiki.

Nah, distribute that evenly between the two.

> While
> the old tourist industry like tours will be going, a
> whole new service industry to gamblers will be starting
> up with the appearance of casinos.

they need to eat and stay somewhere too.
and while they may not go on hikes, bus or helicopter tours,
I have seen these things in areas that do have gambling
as well (like New Mexico, where I spent a week once. Only
drove through northern Nevada once, and while it was fairly
flooded too. Don't remember whether they had tour-like things
there.)

Maren

"Alvin E. Toda" <aet@lava.net> wrote in message
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>
> On Wed, 9 Mar 2005, Jerry Okamura wrote:
>

>
> Casinos need not be built next to beaches. For
> example,
> even in areas of the north shore where permits
> for
> eco-tourism had been rejected, where there is
> not a
> good beach, a casino could be built. I mean what
> addicted gambler will be on the beach if they
> can be in
> the casino gambling. I guess the casinos might
> be glad
> for the lack of that distration to their
> gamblers.

That is right. After all, Las Vegas is in a
desert.
>
>
> IIRC, recently the governor of Nevada allocated
> a
> couple hundred thousand to start some program
> for
> addicted gamblers. IIRC in Las Vegas, it is some
> horrendous number like about 5% or about one in
> twenty
> that are addicted. It's much higher than in
> other parts
> of the country. I'd guess we have about that
> much in
> the islands. That is really a very high number.
> And
> IIRC something like 30% of the addicted gamblers
> tried
> to kill themselves-- that's the reason for the
> Las
> Vegas program. I don't consider 30% to be a
> "small"
> number.
>
It is not a small number if it is true. But that
also depends on what the definition of "addiction"
is. And since the definition of "addiction" has
changed over the years I have been on this earth,
I no longer understand what the term means. But
to put that number in some context, what is the
"addiction" rate of something like meth, or some
other popular drug?