Gated Communities in Hawaii

<acne_is_incurable@m> wrote in message
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>
> My head is reeling after being shown so many
> properties for sale in
> Oahu. I have mixed feelings about the gated
> communities: Hawaii Loa
> Ridge, Kahala Kua, Waialae Iki, etc. Are they a
> form of elitism or
> simply a way for homeowners to create a safe
> enclave for themselves?

Of course it is. It is also for those who have a
"fear" of robbery, and other distasteful things
happening to them.


> What are they afraid of? The riff raff locals or
> the Ewa gangs arriving
> on the backs of pickup trucks?

It does not take an awful lot, it only takes one
person to rob you, and/or beat you up, to send you
a message.

Lots of aloha spirit in this state, but
> maybe not when it comes to money. Class
> consciousness may be a bigger
> issue here than the mainland, where gated
> communities are more isolated
> (and more likely places where the nouveau riche
> live). I am also
> shocked by the snobbery the rich and pseudo-rich
> have against public
> schools. Oh, your child attends a public school,
> instead of Punahou?
> Pity you.
>

Not a chance, not even close.

LOL! Why are you looking in those areas in the first place? Take the
$1.2-2.5M and buy a multi acre estate on the mainland. If you had the dough
to buy into any of those places, you wouldn't be asking any of these
questions.

As for gated communities, do you remember what the answer given when a bank
robber was asked by he robbed banks? "Because that's where they keep the
money." These developments, in addition to a modest amount of security,
also have design and architecture covenants that prevent someone from
putting up a retro "Hicks Home" on the lot next to yours and prevent putting
a rusting Datsun pickup on cement blocks in the front yard for the pitbull
mix. . . the nerve of them!

Public school teachers do the best they can with what they have. Many of
them need a raise in pay . . . so they can afford the tuition increases at
the private schools they send their kids to.

Ask some more questions, please.

Howard Bennett wrote:

> You know, Acne, the way things are going, the entire state will be one big
> gated community soon enough.


Today's Star-Bulletin has a news article about
the hoped-for ban on gated communities for Kaua`i...

-- auntie maria

In article <1111951506-sch@news.lava.net>, auntiemaria
<auntie@mele.com> wrote:

:[...] the ones who then want to
:see a Starbucks and a Jamba Juice on every corner of our Garden
:Island. Enough awreddy!

Agreed! And if we can't control the sheer numbers of mainland
franchises then let's control the architecture and signage! Thatched
roofs and bamboo signs for all of 'em!!!

Happy Easter everyone...Sue

"auntiemaria" <auntie@mele.com> wrote in message
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>
>
>
>
> Our mayor -- for the island of Kaua`i -- just
> announced that
> he is sending a resolution to our County Council
> to _ban_
> all gated communities here. Yay!! We've only
> got a handful,
> and none of them are oceanfront...but I resent
> the elitest-ness
> of them.

Has he explained why he wants to ban them?
>
> The homes in these gated communities are
> rarely -- if ever -- occupied
> by full-time residents.

That kind of makes some sense. If it is only
occupied for short periods of time, then I could
understand why they would want to be in a gated
community, on the theory that they will not be
burglarized when they are not there, which is most
of the time.

The police departments have poor track records in
solving residential crime.. less than 10% of the
breakins are brought to justice.
I have witness breakin crimes in progress.. and reported
the event as it was occuring.
The police arrived on the scene 2 1/2 hours after the
crooks left the premises.
Since the police are ineffective.. gated communities are
the only source of protection.
--
Longing to be closer to to the sun, the wind and the sea!
Spiritually at: Latitude 21 degrees 19' 9" North. _!_
Longtitude 157 degrees 56' 31" West. Aloha! ___o_(_)_o___
q

"Kimo & Leihulunani" <ruaxeljo@champmail.com>
wrote in message
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>
>>
> It doesn't make sense to have the small picture
> on gated communities, take
> a look at the big picture and you'll see that
> the real sad note is that the
> cost of any of these communities or any other
> real estate in the entire State is well beyond
> the reach of the "local"
> populace, that's why we moved to the Mainland.
> The way prices have been
> going up in the 21st century, in a few years
> there will be no locals, except
> for the few who can inherit and hold on to their
> homes. And those few will
> have a hard time with the skyrocketing costs of
> day to day living. What cost
> paradise?
>

It would just seem to me that the price of homes
in these islands have been "beyond the reach" of
locals for almost as long as I have been alive.
Yet, there are still homes being built, "occupied"
primarily by locals. So, somehow the "locals" are
finding a way to buy these homes.

"Jonnie Santos" <iohuni2005-newsgroupsm>
wrote in message
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>
>
> So if Californian's moved to the islands, would
> they be natives or more
> displaced mid-westerners? And what kinds of
> things are Californian?
> Starbucks are everywhere, eh? While they are
> convenient, a mom-and-pop
> coffee house is tons more fun and colorful.
>
The mom and pop outfits "may be" tons more fun and
colorful, but where does the vast majority of
people who frequent these coffee houses go? A
franchise like Starbucks is only successful if
they have tons of customers. And as I understand
it, just to buy a Starbucks franchise takes a ton
of money, and people do not pay tons of money for
a franchise, unless they hope to get a decent
return on their investment, which means tons of
customers.

Gated communities make up the smallest percentage of residential real estate
in the state, but they tend to cost the most. Rather than ban gated
communities, what is the Mayor doing about afordable housing on Kauai?
Banning a gate and wall isn't going to result in developers or other turning
to the real issue of housing in Hawai'i.

As for Hawai'i becoming more like the mainland . . . I don't see protesters
outside McDonalds, Pizza Hut, Burger King, Kentucky Fried Chicken. What?
They local?

In article <1112039103-sch@news.lava.net>, "Jerry Okamura"
<okamuraj005@hawaii.> wrote:

:"Jonnie Santos" <iohuni2005-newsgroupsm>
:wrote in message
:news:1111982705-sch@news.lava.net...
:>
:>
:>
:> So if Californian's moved to the islands, would
:> they be natives or more
:> displaced mid-westerners? And what kinds of
:> things are Californian?
:> Starbucks are everywhere, eh? While they are
:> convenient, a mom-and-pop
:> coffee house is tons more fun and colorful.
:>
:The mom and pop outfits "may be" tons more fun and
:colorful, but where does the vast majority of
:people who frequent these coffee houses go? A
:franchise like Starbucks is only successful if
:they have tons of customers. And as I understand
:it, just to buy a Starbucks franchise takes a ton
:of money, and people do not pay tons of money for
:a franchise, unless they hope to get a decent
:return on their investment, which means tons of
:customers.

And "tons of customers" tend to be a result of high visibility
locations, high name recognition and high end advertising...all of
which the local "mom 'n pop" businesses have trouble affording. Sad.