East Kauai area lack of water

It looks like the area that will be effected by the new exploration of
drilling a well
is in the making to help supply East Kauai with water which will help in
the
development for further condos and homes and business in this section.

Watch things move towards more people will be coming into the area. If
the well works out and proves ok to drink . This is all subject to
approval and the government working to make this project happen.
HUMMMMMM more people
will be coming

"Ben Sure" <normals@> wrote in message
news:1066062915-sch@news.lava.net...
>
> It looks like the area that will be effected by the new exploration of
> drilling a well
> is in the making to help supply East Kauai with water which will help
> in
> the
> development for further condos and homes and business in this section.
>
> Watch things move towards more people will be coming into the area.
> If
> the well works out and proves ok to drink . This is all subject to
> approval and the government working to make this project happen.
> HUMMMMMM more people
> will be coming
>
You seem to have a hardon about development on these islands. Let me
suggest no development is needed (if you want a stagnant economy) or if
there is no population increase. Now when it comes to population
increase,
there is only one way to achieve that, i.e. there is an even number of
people who die (or leave the islands), as there are people who are
born, or
come to the islands. Institutions, whether they be the government or
private, only try to accomodate what is actually happeneing. And one
could
argue that one important factor driving economic growth is population
increase.

No problem, but do you have a problem
more people mean more hiways, homes, jobs, health care pubic services
are needed.

More people bring more taxes and demands, new people come and expect
the old timers to move over or out.

I have seen what increase in people coming to areas, what happens It
become a living nightmare. More crime comes,
are you readyto help pay the bill

On Tue, 14 Oct 2003, Jerry Okamura wrote:

> "Ben Sure" <normals@> wrote in message
> news:1066062915-sch@news.lava.net...
>>
>> It looks like the area that will be effected by the
>> new exploration of drilling a well is in the making
>> to help supply East Kauai with water which will
>> help in the development for further condos and
>> homes and business in this section.
>>
>> Watch things move towards more people will be
>> coming into the area. If the well works out and
>> proves ok to drink . This is all subject to
>> approval and the government working to make this
>> project happen. HUMMMMMM more people will be coming
>>
> You seem to have a hardon about development on these
> islands. Let me suggest no development is needed (if
> you want a stagnant economy) or if there is no
> population increase. Now when it comes to population
> increase, there is only one way to achieve that, i.e.
> there is an even number of people who die (or leave
> the islands), as there are people who are born, or
> come to the islands. Institutions, whether they be
> the government or private, only try to accomodate
> what is actually happeneing. And one could argue
> that one important factor driving economic growth is
> population increase.

Jerry, it's not either/or thing. There are a number of
decisions to make. Since Kauai people place a high
regard for preservation of the environment, and the
land, it seems counter-productive to use up the land
that way. People move there to retire. Why not build up
high-rises, and save the land? And they should also ask
themselves whether they would rather diversify their
economy to get revenue, or use up their land resources
to attract more retirees.

--alvin

On Wed, 15 Oct 2003, Alvin E. Toda wrote:
>
> that way. People move there to retire. Why not build up
> high-rises, and save the land?

Given the choice between converting old sugar cane land to
housing verus building high-rises, I think the overall the
county of Kauai would prefer not to build high-rises.

"Alvin E. Toda" <aet@lava.net> wrote in message
news:1066195246-sch@news.lava.net...
>
>
> Jerry, it's not either/or thing. There are a number of
> decisions to make. Since Kauai people place a high
> regard for preservation of the environment, and the
> land, it seems counter-productive to use up the land
> that way. People move there to retire. Why not build up
> high-rises, and save the land? And they should also ask
> themselves whether they would rather diversify their
> economy to get revenue, or use up their land resources
> to attract more retirees.
>
So, your solution is that the only people invited to live on the
islands are
those who are willing to live in high rises.

You talk of retirement, who can afford to retire, when no one problem
you are faced with health problems, its like shipping all the old
people to the Islands to die off they are worthless and have if lucky
the only ones that have money, right, well there is someone right there
to get their hand in the old billfold. What a futre for retired
people. At least get them shipped off to Island and you do not have
to worry about seeing the rest of the world or family. Out sight out
of mind.

What a future to look forward sit on the sand all day. or chase a
golf ball around the island. Yep I know there are other things do ,
but after while that gets old just like getting old, it soon becomes
uninteresting.

There is no such thing as retire, if you are ready to hand everything
you worked for over to someone else to make money off
expensive real estate. I do not think so,
there is to much world out there to enjoy and explore. Why dump it in
one place.

Well, I happen to be one of those who are retired. And frankly, I
would not
trade it for work. Before I retired, I was not sure how I would handle
retirement, and I can only speak for myself, but it beats work
anytime...hands down.

As for who can afford retirement, let me suggest something I have said
over
and over again. Take the example of those who were working through the
great depression. Many of them, having really understood what hardship
was
all about, learned to save....something the young ones today don't seem
to
understand.


"Ben Sure" <normals@> wrote in message
news:1066323903-sch@news.lava.net...
>
> You talk of retirement, who can afford to retire, when no one problem
> you are faced with health problems, its like shipping all the old
> people to the Islands to die off they are worthless and have if lucky
> the only ones that have money, right, well there is someone right
> there
> to get their hand in the old billfold. What a futre for retired
> people. At least get them shipped off to Island and you do not have
> to worry about seeing the rest of the world or family. Out sight out
> of mind.
>
> What a future to look forward sit on the sand all day. or chase a
> golf ball around the island. Yep I know there are other things do ,
> but after while that gets old just like getting old, it soon becomes
> uninteresting.
>
> There is no such thing as retire, if you are ready to hand everything
> you worked for over to someone else to make money off
> expensive real estate. I do not think so,
> there is to much world out there to enjoy and explore. Why dump it in
> one place.
>

Yep I was raised in the depression it was not fun for the parents or
their parents.

The depression took its licks at families,
did you ever go out on a prairie and gather cactus to burn the thorns
off to feed the livestock, or gather dried cow chips to burn, have a
sod roof and dirt floor, well man I have been t here.

My folks worked hard , bearded sheep, raised cattle, worked for people
my mother help work the farm cooking for thrashers when she was only 8
years old,
Hey we all have been there more or less the children of today would not
cope well with trying to raise a family what they would do is go get
high or drink themselves so they did not have to face
what will tomorrow be.

Just doing nothing is not my goal of retirement, I prefer to be active,
doing and being around and helping others when I can. No wonder
sitting around you soon hate your own existence.

To be around and doing something gets you out and see more of the world
aroud you. To do nothing is such a waste

"Alvin E. Toda" <aet@lava.net> wrote in message
news:1066815304-sch@news.lava.net...
>
> On Tue, 21 Oct 2003, Jerry Okamura wrote:
>
>> That is an interesting point. Is this like trying to
>> build a sand castle at the incoming tide line.
>> After all, if the population on these islands
>> continue to grow, that translates for the need to use
>> more land to housing and other uses of the land to
>> support that growing population,
>
> No it does not "translate". We can build at higher
> densities. Using the land may just create more
> problems.

All that means is you use "less" of the land. You still end up "using "
land. Besides, you have only addressed one part of the issue, and that
is
housing. What about the need for retail establishments, government
facilities, schools, bigger highways, etc.
>
>> agriculture will continue to decline. Reminds me of
>> when I first went to the mainland. The San Fernando
>> Valley still had farms. There were still farms on
>> the Palos Verdes Peninsula. There were a whole lot
>> of farms in Orange County. They are all gone now,
>> simply becuase the population of the Southern
>> California has grown so much in the intervening
>> years.
>
> There is a lot more land available in the mainland
> compared to Hawaii. Land is a lot more limited here--
> prime ag land more so. Urban sprawl here in this island
> may mean the destuction of diversified agriculture, as
> well as harm to our tourist industry which requires a
> pristine and unspoiled environment. We have planned to
> mitigate these effects. Changing zoning without good
> cause is harmful.
>
There was a whole lot of land when I first moved to Los Angeles at one
time.
And, obviusly, more people mean more land used for their needs, which
translates to higher prices for the land, and less for agriculture.
So, it
still boils down to population growth. As for what harm this will do
to the
tourist industry, doesn't that depend on a whole lot of factors, other
than
a pristine environment. After all, Los Angeles is still a popular
tourist
destination.