Kamehameha School and non-Hawaiian students

In article <1061915723-sch@news.lava.net>,
Jerry Okamura <okamuraj005@hawaii.> wrote:
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>"Wing C Ng" <wing@lava.net> wrote in message
>news:1061887814-sch@news.lava.net...
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>> Ask any attorney: after Rice v. Cayetano, "Hawaiian" is a
>> racial classification. Cannot discriminate on race in
>> admission even in a private school. Even if K.S. wins at
>> trial court in Hi., they will surely lose on appeal.
>>
>I don't think that is an accurate statement. I believe a private
>institution can discriminate. Where it gets fuzzy is when they either use
>government facicilites or gain some benefit from the government.

As I recall, a private school, tax exempt or not, cannot discriminate
on the basis of race in admission. I'll post the case when I find
it.

Actually similar to accommodation: private landlord cannot refuse
to sell or rent to people on the basis of race.

Wing

"RobeFortu1" <robefortu1@nojunk> wrote in message
news:1061915703-sch@news.lava.net...
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>
> >Jerry O wrote:
> >> > By the way, I found one passage kind of interesting. That was "I
also
> >> > direct that the teachers of said schools shall forever be persons of
the
> >> > Protestant religion, but I do not intend that the choice should be
> >> > restricted to persons of any particular sect of Protestants.". Does
> >that
> >> > mean that someone who is not a protestant cannot teach at the school.
> >>
>
> >Lana replied:
> >> Yeah... Im Protestant. All of the teachers are Protestant. That is what
> >she
> >> wanted her money to be used for.
>
> >Jerry O replied:
> >Sounds kind of discriminatory to me.
>
> Why stop there? Let's demand that the
> pope be a muslim!
>
Calm down. The law of the land, whether you like it or not says that we
should not descriminate against someone else. Besides, the court agreed
saying that this is descrimination.

>Still haven't answered the question.

How can I answer it when you won't tell
me what it is? I assure you I can answer it.

"Rockmanca Hays" <rockmancahays@> wrote in message
news:1061959817-sch@news.lava.net...
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> Its the mainlanders that have come to the islands and created the HIG
> OVER PRICED LAND VALUES because of the demand and the fact only choice
> areas are open to build or capitalize on.

I am sure there is some truth to what you say, but it seems to me that
"land" has always been expensive on these islands. Probably more the result
of the big estates owning most of the land.
>
> Many sell to get in on the big money land grabs they may as well get in
> on the
> money . Who can blame them. Money talks.

Let us say you are working a small farm which you own. And someone comes up
and offers you say 2 million for that piece of property. What would you do,
continue to farm, or take the money and run.
>
The demand for land is soon going
> to overcome the area and then your services for water a main concern for
> any area is water will be limited or to seek other alterative methods.

Have you thought about how places like Saudia Arabia manages to have the
water they need to use?
>
\There are no camping to speak of no
> areas are equiped to handling camping.

Now that is an interesting comment. Now if you were in some official
elected position in these islands, would you like to have the kind of
tourist who would use the campgrounds, or the kind that would stay in a
hotel. Now, I could be wrong, but it would seem to me that they would tend
to prefer those who stayed in hotels, since those people would spend more
money.
>
> Well one thing you can use all your area for gold courses that at least
> keeps buildings out.
>
No "gold courses" on these islands that I know of, do you mean "golf
courses".
>
> This is where the true Hawaiian have lost control of their land.

The Hawaiinas lost control over their land long before the tourist started
arriving.
>
> You can thank the mainlanders who come to your Islands . No this is
> not being negative its what people on the mainland do.
>
> My heart goes out to the people of the Islands and the children of the
> Islands.
> More and more will come and take your land and the demand will overcome
> even to those who created the problem.

Now that is an interesting thought. What makes migration from one place to
the other more of a problem, then migration to another place. People use to
flock to California from other parts of the United States, so why should you
be more concerned about those who come from the mainland to live on these
islands vs. those who moved to California.
>
> People that have come to Islands they themselves will not be able to
> survive most of the the children will leave the island. If mother
> nature does not take a hand in the outcome. and destination of everyone
> world wide.
>
As I have said many times before, "mother nature" will eventually result in
the elimination of the human race (unless we figure out a way to go to
another solar system) because someday the sun will die and so will all life.
So, it is all just a matter of time.

"RobeFortu1" <robefortu1@nojunk> wrote in message
news:1061971506-sch@news.lava.net...
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> >Still haven't answered the question.
>
> How can I answer it when you won't tell
> me what it is? I assure you I can answer it.
>
>
>
That is okay. Most of us have a problem with such a long thread, because
the message we are referring to is lost somewhere way back at the start of
the thread and we have more than likely deleted that message.

"RobeFortu1" <robefortu1@nojunk> wrote in message
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> >>
> >>
> >That may be true, but where would they find employment.
>
> Same way every other people do. They would do what they had to survive and
> flourish.
>
Or die.

>"RobeFortu1" <robefortu1@nojunk> wrote in message
>news:1061971505-sch@news.lava.net...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >That may be true, but where would they find employment.
>>
>> Same way every other people do. They would do what they had to survive and
>> flourish.
>>
>Or die.

There were a million Hawaiians flouishing in Hawaii before the Europeans
introduced their foreign diseases etc... Hawaiians would not die.

"RobeFortu1" <robefortu1@nojunk> wrote in message
news:1062046217-sch@news.lava.net...

> >>
> >> Same way every other people do. They would do what they had to survive
and
> >> flourish.
> >>
> >Or die.
>
> There were a million Hawaiians flouishing in Hawaii before the Europeans
> introduced their foreign diseases etc... Hawaiians would not die.
>
I thought we were talking about the present, not the past.

>"RobeFortu1" <robefortu1@nojunk> wrote in message
>news:1062046217-sch@news.lava.net...
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>> >>
>> >> Same way every other people do. They would do what they had to survive
>and
>> >> flourish.
>> >>
>> >Or die.
>>
>> There were a million Hawaiians flouishing in Hawaii before the Europeans
>> introduced their foreign diseases etc... Hawaiians would not die.
>>
>I thought we were talking about the present, not the past.

I thought we were talking about the ability of a people to survive. Our best
estimation is past experience.

"RobeFortu1" <robefortu1@nojunk> wrote in message
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> >>
> >> There were a million Hawaiians flouishing in Hawaii before the
Europeans
> >> introduced their foreign diseases etc... Hawaiians would not die.
> >>
> >I thought we were talking about the present, not the past.
>
> I thought we were talking about the ability of a people to survive. Our
best
> estimation is past experience.
>
Past experience that ignores the present is not a good indicator of the
future in my opinion.