Kamehameha School and non-Hawaiian students

"Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj005@hawaii.> wrote in message news:<1061661902-sch@news.lava.net>...
>
> That is kind of interesting. Giving "preference to Hawaiians" does not mean
> exclusivity, i.e. only accepting people of Hawaiian ancestry.

Right! Who said that it was? Did I miss something here?

> What happened
> to the first two parts of her wish, i.e. the education of orphans, and
> others in indeigent circumstances." After all there are a whole lot of them
> who do not have native Hawaiian ancestry.
>
> Anyone want to answer?

Also, let's not forget how many Hawaiians that ARE in indigent
circumstances. I come from an island where it's nearly 50% Hawaiians
and they're not well off I can guarantee you that much. But what I
just found out recently was the amount of slots available per
district. Certainly that would automatically rule out many of the
Hawaiian children where I'm from.

"Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj005@hawaii.> wrote in message news:<1061753701-sch@news.lava.net>...

> Oh come on now. Who doesn't tell an outright lie from time to time, or at
> the minimum, what we conveniently call a white lie.

So, it would be ok to lie on my application for a job, or another university, etc.?

lisa2lisa2 wrote:
>
> After I became more educated, I simply
> didn't understand how private schools all across the country were
> denied tax-exempt status if they had a racially discriminatory
> admissions policy, yet K.S. has maintained its tax-exempt status for
> so long.
>
<snip>
> Times change, the world changes, and what was
> previously an honorable goal now becomes a way to set people apart.
> Am I so wrong about this?


I have never understoon how they kept their tax-exempt status when they
still refuse to hire any teacher who does not profess to be of the
Protestant variety of the Christian faith.

"Alvin E. Toda" <aet@lava.net> wrote in message
news:1061877036-sch@news.lava.net...
> >
> > Did she lie? I had not heard that.
>
> That's for the court to determine. The method of
> checking pedegree through the family tree may be unfair
> to those Hawaiians who don't have the documentation to
> establish their rights.

I did not think about that. What "proof" do they have to have?

"Mark Ichiyama" <mark@mc-carter.com> wrote in message
news:1061877028-sch@news.lava.net...
>
> The tax exempt status is at the core of problem. If Kamehameha Schools
want
> to be truly independent and not subject to the application of the law, it
> should make the prompt decision to pay taxes.
>
>
I think it is a little more complicated than simply relinquishing their tax
exempt status. But that is just a guess on my part.

"Kalani M." <mamoahina@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:1061877901-sch@news.lava.net...
>
> "Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj005@hawaii.> wrote in message
news:<1061661902-sch@news.lava.net>...
> >
> > That is kind of interesting. Giving "preference to Hawaiians" does not
mean
> > exclusivity, i.e. only accepting people of Hawaiian ancestry.
>
> Right! Who said that it was? Did I miss something here?

I don't know. I am not an expert in this area, but it is my understanding
that Kamehameha School only accepts those who have a Hawaiian ancestry. But
the words (and I don't remember who posted the message I picked it up from)
said giving "prefernece to Hawaiians". That to me means that the school
should favor Hawaiians, but it does not say that no one else is allowed in.
>
> > What happened
> > to the first two parts of her wish, i.e. the education of orphans, and
> > others in indeigent circumstances." After all there are a whole lot of
them
> > who do not have native Hawaiian ancestry.
> >
> > Anyone want to answer?
>
> Also, let's not forget how many Hawaiians that ARE in indigent
> circumstances. I come from an island where it's nearly 50% Hawaiians
> and they're not well off I can guarantee you that much. But what I
> just found out recently was the amount of slots available per
> district. Certainly that would automatically rule out many of the
> Hawaiian children where I'm from.
>
So are people of other racial backgrounds. The words as I read it could
have said that the school should make room for orphans and others in
indegent circumstances of Hawaiian ancestry, but it did not. Anyway, that
is the way I interpreted the document. If I am wrong, then tell me why.

>Jerry O wrote:
>> > By the way, I found one passage kind of interesting. That was "I also
>> > direct that the teachers of said schools shall forever be persons of the
>> > Protestant religion, but I do not intend that the choice should be
>> > restricted to persons of any particular sect of Protestants.". Does
>that
>> > mean that someone who is not a protestant cannot teach at the school.
>>

>Lana replied:
>> Yeah... Im Protestant. All of the teachers are Protestant. That is what
>she
>> wanted her money to be used for.

>Jerry O replied:
>Sounds kind of discriminatory to me.

Why stop there? Let's demand that the
pope be a muslim!

"Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj005@hawaii.> wrote in message
news:<1061887801-sch@news.lava.net>...

> >
> I don't know how to answer your question because you clipped out too much of
> the mesage I was replying to.

you can always go back and look at what I replied to. Look at your
message in its entirety if you must.


> But are you going to tell me that everyone
> who fills out their job application tells the whole truth?

Are you serious? Well, I can't speak for EVERYONE else. I can only
speak for myself Jerry. If you lie everytime you fill out an
application, then I think that is your own problem. Obviously there's
a reason why you feel you need to "lie" on your application.

But from my experience, at least when I've chosen applicants, they
have proven what they said they can do and have demonstrated what
they've said they have learned/experienced based on their application.

lisa2lisa22003m (lisa2lisa2) wrote in message
news:<1061893201-sch@news.lava.net>...

>I simply said that the primary focus of the
> school's policy isn't to enroll kids with financial need (as a general
> rule). It's policy is to enroll kids with Hawaiian blood.

That would seem logical. Although Kalani Rosell's incident last year
proved otherwise.


>
> No matter what your personal experiences have been,
> K.S. can't have an unconstitutional admissions policy, whether it's a
> noble cause or not.

In other words, what Pauahi wanted was unconstitutional, right?
Because she wanted her people to have a good, stable place in society
and trying to help out HER people is unconstitutional b/c it would
have excluded all others in the islands? You do realize that when
Pauahi signed her will, the U.S. did not illegally take over the
Hawaiian Kingdom till nearly 11 yrs. after.

> [[Perhaps they
> can try to understand that non-white people have different experiences
> from
> white people and from this book perhaps they can TRY to understand
> that
> Hawaiians have different experiences as well.]]
>
> Perhaps it's not about differences.

If it's not about differences, then what is it?

Mary I wish you luck, this is what some of the writers have been saying,
its the people from the mainland coming to Hawaii seeking a easy life
that is driving the price of property up due to the demand.

Its the mainlanders that have come to the islands and created the HIG
OVER PRICED LAND VALUES because of the demand and the fact only choice
areas are open to build or capitalize on.

Many sell to get in on the big money land grabs they may as well get in
on the
money . Who can blame them. Money talks.

I have read where local native people of Hawaii on any of the islands
have been priced right out of their heritage beach front property and
farms have been forced to cut back . The demand for land is soon going
to overcome the area and then your services for water a main concern for
any area is water will be limited or to seek other alterative methods.

No matter what Food, water and power
are need for this modern day society that has never learned the lessons
of survival, they have never had to experience the
need to learn. Most of them need special camping equipment to stay.
I fancy overpriced condo to visit spend thousands of dollars doing
there thing called living on the Islands.
There are no camping to speak of no
areas are equiped to handling camping.

Well one thing you can use all your area for gold courses that at least
keeps buildings out.


This is where the true Hawaiian have lost control of their land.

You can thank the mainlanders who come to your Islands . No this is
not being negative its what people on the mainland do.

My heart goes out to the people of the Islands and the children of the
Islands.
More and more will come and take your land and the demand will overcome
even to those who created the problem.

Look at the future, not today as today affects the future you need to
see beyond
today but tomorrow will bring more demands.

People that have come to Islands they themselves will not be able to
survive most of the the children will leave the island. If mother
nature does not take a hand in the outcome. and destination of everyone
world wide.