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Old 7th August 2004, 04:23 AM   #1 (permalink)
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All the paintings use and N. The street sign there, however, has an M.
My dictionary of French streets (n French) has an N. What gives? Is
this a French language thing and the N is drafted like an M? A type on
the street sign and the many postings here?
 
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Old 7th August 2004, 08:58 AM   #2 (permalink)
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"David Kilo" <callmekilo@> a écrit dans le message de
news:c247004a.0408070023.161d5e8a@c om...
> All the paintings use and N. The street sign there, however, has an M.
> My dictionary of French streets (n French) has an N. What gives? Is
> this a French language thing and the N is drafted like an M? A type on
> the street sign and the many postings here?





m m m m m m m

Alain

 
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Old 8th August 2004, 05:15 AM   #3 (permalink)
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"Runge" <philsa@bigfoot.com> a écrit dans le message de
news:cf2ju0$p7b$1@news-reader3.wanadoo.fr...
> ummm..what's the question about?
> If u're referring to Paris, it's Furstenberg


not according to my map (with an M) but who cares?
Alain

 
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Old 8th August 2004, 01:36 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Gee, usually this group is good at figuring out these mysteries.
Guess, I'll have to try the french groups.

"alain K." <holeinone@alussinan.org> wrote in message news:<cf4qri$ja7$1@news-reader4.wanadoo.fr>...
> "Runge" <philsa@bigfoot.com> a écrit dans le message de
> news:cf2ju0$p7b$1@news-reader3.wanadoo.fr...
> > ummm..what's the question about?
> > If u're referring to Paris, it's Furstenberg

>
> not according to my map (with an M) but who cares?
> Alain

 
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Old 8th August 2004, 03:31 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Le 07-08-2004, David Kilo <callmekilo@> a écrit :
> All the paintings use and N. The street sign there, however, has an M.
> My dictionary of French streets (n French) has an N. What gives? Is
> this a French language thing and the N is drafted like an M? A type on
> the street sign and the many postings here?


The Paris street is rue de Furstemberg, with a 'm'.

The name comes from a scion of the german Fürstenberg family that ended
abbot of St-Germain-des-Prés. That dates back to the 18th century, when
documents were handwritten and copy errors (n or m ? u with or without
umlaut ?) were not uncommon.

 
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Old 9th August 2004, 09:39 AM   #6 (permalink)
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"alain K." <holeinone@alussinan.org> wrote in message news:<cf2jg0$rii$1@news-reader1.wanadoo.fr>...
> "David Kilo" <callmekilo@> a écrit dans le message de
> news:c247004a.0408070023.161d5e8a@c om...
> > All the paintings use and N. The street sign there, however, has an M.
> > My dictionary of French streets (n French) has an N. What gives? Is
> > this a French language thing and the N is drafted like an M? A type on
> > the street sign and the many postings here?

>
> m m m m m m m
>
> Alain


My guess: Furstemberg is the traditional French spelling for German
"Furstenberg". I recall that the Belgian princes styled themselves von
Arenberg in Vienna and princes d'Aremberg in Paris. Perhaps someone on
ATR may elucidate this particularity.

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Old 9th August 2004, 10:16 AM   #7 (permalink)
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On 9 Aug 2004 06:39:52 -0700, in .europe, sklar2002@yandex.ru (Igor Sklar)
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :


... My guess: Furstemberg is the traditional French spelling for German
... "Furstenberg". I recall that the Belgian princes styled themselves von
... Arenberg in Vienna and princes d'Aremberg in Paris. Perhaps someone on
... ATR may elucidate this particularity.
...
... regards

The rule in French is : before P and B, there must be an M.

(The French adore to gallicise everything. "A la mode de chez nous", never otherwise.)

 
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Old 9th August 2004, 10:22 AM   #8 (permalink)
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dans l'article ej1fh0ldvoqenf1kbr5csat0hl28pm019t@, Magda à
eglantine@hanmail.com a écrit le 9/08/04 16:16 :

> On 9 Aug 2004 06:39:52 -0700, in .europe, sklar2002@yandex.ru (Igor
> Sklar)
> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
>
>
> ... My guess: Furstemberg is the traditional French spelling for German
> ... "Furstenberg".

Correct
>I recall that the Belgian princes styled themselves von
> ... Arenberg in Vienna and princes d'Aremberg in Paris.

In Vienna, officially ..m.., ..n.. may be French, Belgian or Prussian
>Perhaps someone on
> ... ATR may elucidate this particularity.
> ...
> ... regards
>
> The rule in French is : before P and B, there must be an M.
>
> (The French adore to gallicise everything. "A la mode de chez nous", never
> otherwise.)
>

Place de Furstenberg, ..m.. is perhaps a g.., particularly when spoken!

 
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Old 10th August 2004, 11:29 AM   #9 (permalink)
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> The rule in French is : before P and B, there must be an M.


Ah yes, Mparis, I know it well :)
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Old 10th August 2004, 11:44 AM   #10 (permalink)
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On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 17:44:31 +0200, nitram@ wrote:

> Silly bunts!


silly mbunts?
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