Eastern Europe

oystein@nettkjenning.com schrieb:

> > >> St Peter is almost European, and you will just love it.
> > >
> > >What does that mean, assuming that it means anything at all?;)
> >
> > ...sburg. But I think you knew that!
>
> Sure, what I was thinking of is that it is hardly such a thing as a
> "European city";)

It was mainly planned by foreign architects.

Regards, ULF

I would not say eurpean architects..
I would say mainly one italian architect..
that also worken in moscow..
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> oystein@nettkjenning.com schrieb:
>
>> > >> St Peter is almost European, and you will just love it.
>> > >
>> > >What does that mean, assuming that it means anything at all?;)
>> >
>> > ...sburg. But I think you knew that!
>>
>> Sure, what I was thinking of is that it is hardly such a thing as a
>> "European city";)
>
> It was mainly planned by foreign architects.
>
> Regards, ULF

tile schrieb:
>
> I would not say eurpean architects..
> I would say mainly one italian architect..
> that also worken in moscow..
> "Ulf Kutzner" <kutzu000@mail.uni-mainz.de> ha scritto nel messaggio
> news:4268A7CE.1B403E02@mail.uni-mainz.de...
> > oystein@nettkjenning.com schrieb:
> >
> >> > >> St Peter is almost European, and you will just love it.
> >> > >
> >> > >What does that mean, assuming that it means anything at all?;)
> >> >
> >> > ...sburg. But I think you knew that!
> >>
> >> Sure, what I was thinking of is that it is hardly such a thing as a
> >> "European city";)
> >
> > It was mainly planned by foreign architects.

Well, I wrote 'foreign'...

Regards, ULF

let us name the architect
Bartolomeo Rastrelli from Venice
died in St.Petersburg in 1771
then other italian architects
Michetti
Quarenghi
Rossi
Rinaldi
Chiaveri
Brothers Angeloni
and Trizzini ( from Ticino )
"Ulf Kutzner" <kutzu000@mail.uni-mainz.de> ha scritto nel messaggio
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> tile schrieb:
>>
>> I would not say eurpean architects..
>> I would say mainly one italian architect..
>> that also worken in moscow..
>> "Ulf Kutzner" <kutzu000@mail.uni-mainz.de> ha scritto nel messaggio
>> news:4268A7CE.1B403E02@mail.uni-mainz.de...
>> > oystein@nettkjenning.com schrieb:
>> >
>> >> > >> St Peter is almost European, and you will just love it.
>> >> > >
>> >> > >What does that mean, assuming that it means anything at all?;)
>> >> >
>> >> > ...sburg. But I think you knew that!
>> >>
>> >> Sure, what I was thinking of is that it is hardly such a thing as a
>> >> "European city";)
>> >
>> > It was mainly planned by foreign architects.
>
> Well, I wrote 'foreign'...
>
> Regards, ULF

?ystein wrote:

> Belarus has basicly the same visa regulations as Russia, practiced in
> a less by-the-book way. Both in Russia and Belarus, you need a
> invetation from a hotel in order to get a visa and you have to wait
> for days before you pick up your visa in order to not pay an
> additional express-fee. Unlike Russia when registering your visa (it
> is done for you by your hotel) is to be regarded as your exit permit
> from the country, normally noone cares if you register you visa in
> Belarus. The tricky thing about Belarus though, is that not many
> countrie have an Embassy, making it harder to get a visa (Minsk
> International airport probably issue visas on the spot though).
>


IOW it's a Soviet - style bureaucratic hassle. Why bother?


> If you hafe come to a point where you feel you want to see Belarus,
> you should really do so and Brest and Minsk is an excellent
> combination of places to see. In many respects Belarus and Brest
> represents the heart of European history of the 20th centrury, a
> history that is manifested in a lot of places there for you to see.
>
> Starting with the most recent history, Belarus represents the last
> Siviet State in Europe, offering the closest you can come to what a
> Soviet Union anno 2005 might would have been like. Collective farms, a
> night at the opera for 3 Euros (and then we talk about a standard few
> other European cities can offer), Minsk has is probably the most full
> blooded Stalin Baroque style city you can find anywhere, for a couple
> of Euros you can cross a country bigger than Great Britain virtually
> driving in a time machine, as you probably know Brest is the site
> where both the Riebenhof-Molotov treaty where signed, where Lenin sent
> Lev Trotsky with a blanco apoval to sign anything that would keep the
> be'olsheviks in power in 1917 as well as a place where people in USSR
> traveled in order to come as far west as they could in Soviet times.
> Go to find out why.


IOW it's a horrible place with a horrible history.

No wonder hardly anyone goes there.

--
Best
Greg

Jack Campin - bogus address wrote:

>>>In many respects Belarus and Brest represents the heart of
>>>European history of the 20th centrury, a history that is
>>>manifested in a lot of places there for you to see.
>>
>>IOW it's a horrible place with a horrible history.
>>No wonder hardly anyone goes there.
>
>
> Which suggests a question. Where in Europe would you go if you
> wanted be within a day trip of the largest possible number of
> sites of truly ghastly historical events? - not just the 20th
> century. A place that was handy for visiting *more than one*
> attraction like the Teutoburger Wald, Montsegur, Mohacs, Ypres,
> Auschwitz, the birthplace of Daniel O'Donnell, you name it.




I suppose somewhere in northern France. Ghastly things over the 800
years or so thru the 20th century. Documenting then prior to 1750 would
be hard though. The area got worked over pretty consistently over the
centuries.

nitram wrote:

> On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 21:12:37 +0200, Magda <unesouriverte@coldmail.hey>
> wrote:
>
>
>>Better a three-legged table than no table at all... :)
>
>
> Milking stool?


A good example of using three legs for stability. The talk was of
tables though.

"tile" <supertile@libero.it> wrote in message news:<FOcae.79607$zZ1.2208516@twister1.libero.it>. ..
> let us name the architect
> Bartolomeo Rastrelli from Venice
> died in St.Petersburg in 1771
> then other italian architects
> Michetti
> Quarenghi
> Rossi
> Rinaldi
> Chiaveri
> Brothers Angeloni
> and Trizzini ( from Ticino )

He didnæt write Venecian, but European. Everybody but some Americans
know there is no such thing.

Jan

In those times there was the Republic of Venice..
one of the most important States of its times.
It was then invaded by Napolean troops..
defeated. occupied. and sold to Austria.
a gold coin issued by the Venetian republic was the Zecchino.. one of the
most accepted currencies in thsoe times.

let me add that in Italy there have been 4 Sea Republics

Venezia
Genova
Amalfi
Pisa

for one reoson or the other. all of them disappeared with the exception of
the Republic of Venice.-
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> "tile" <supertile@libero.it> wrote in message
> news:<FOcae.79607$zZ1.2208516@twister1.libero.it>. ..
>> let us name the architect
>> Bartolomeo Rastrelli from Venice
>> died in St.Petersburg in 1771
>> then other italian architects
>> Michetti
>> Quarenghi
>> Rossi
>> Rinaldi
>> Chiaveri
>> Brothers Angeloni
>> and Trizzini ( from Ticino )
>
> He didnæt write Venecian, but European. Everybody but some Americans
> know there is no such thing.
>
> Jan

RT wrote:
> We are planning a trip to eastern
> europe,,Budapest,Pargue,Vienna,Krakow maybe Warsaw,,question,,are we
> better off on a tour or planning it ourselves,and if so what are the
> risks,,any tips would be helpful

Do it yourself. Tours are much more expensive, and you are stuck with
the tour's itinerary. And you will meet a lot more local people
travelling on your own rather than in a large group of Americans. You
can always hire a guide to take you around a specific sight or city
rather than be on a tour the whole time.

As far as risks, violent crime is almost non-existent, but there is a
moderate amount of petty theft, especially in tourist areas of Budapest
and Prague. I would get a "money belt" - a pouch that you wear under
your clothes that keeps your money and valuables - so that you can't be
pickpocketed. You should never leave your bags alone (e.g. in a train
station while you go to the counter or in a cafe while you go to the
restroom). If you have two people, one person should always stay with
the bags.