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"Markku Grönroos" <kurkku@hassuserveri.fi> wrote in message
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>>> But they are not American.
>>
>> In Canadian English, North and South America are continents
>> and America is an (albeit little used) abbreviated name for the
>> country that borders us to the south so an American is a citizen
>> of that country.
>>
> All this has very little to do with languages: English, Canadian
> English or any other language. For instance Merriam Webster
> online dictionary define "American" (noun) as broadest: "inhabitant
> of North or South America".

You've been around rte long enough to that the dictionary game rarely gets
you where you want to go. In the English language, dictionaries follow
usage; not vice versa. Being a native English-speaker who's lived in Canada
my whole life, I can promise you that when someone uses the word "American"
to describe a person, anyone in this country will understand that the person
is a citizen of the United States of America, not of Chile, Brazil, Ecuador
or Canada.

While I can't be positive, I'm quite certain that the word is understood the
same way among English speakers from the US.

Richard

"Richard" <this@is.invalid> kirjoitti viestissä:g57tsl$37d$1@dns3.cae.ca...
> "Markku Grönroos" <kurkku@hassuserveri.fi> wrote in message
>> All this has very little to do with languages: English, Canadian
>> English or any other language. For instance Merriam Webster
>> online dictionary define "American" (noun) as broadest: "inhabitant
>> of North or South America".
>
> You've been around rte long enough to that the dictionary game rarely gets
> you where you want to go. In the English language, dictionaries follow
> usage; not vice versa. Being a native English-speaker who's lived in
> Canada my whole life, I can promise you that when someone uses the word
> "American" to describe a person, anyone in this country will understand
> that the person is a citizen of the United States of America, not of
> Chile, Brazil, Ecuador or Canada.
>
> While I can't be positive, I'm quite certain that the word is understood
> the same way among English speakers from the US.
>
As I said this isn't a language specific issue at all. Because Canadians
live in America they aren't Africans nor Asians but Americans. Just like
Finns are both North European and European. It would be insane to insist
Finns being North European but not European.

"Markku Grönroos" <kurkku@hassuserveri.fi> wrote in message
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> As I said this isn't a language specific issue at all. Because
> Canadians live in America they aren't Africans nor Asians but
> Americans. Just like Finns are both North European and European.
> It would be insane to insist Finns being North European but not
> European.

You're going in circles and I've no desire to follow...

Richard

"Hatunen" <hatunen@cox.net> kirjoitti
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> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 21:33:01 +0100, Jack Campin - bogus address
> <bogus@purr.> wrote:
>
>>> As I said this isn't a language specific issue at all. Because
>>> Canadians live in America they aren't Africans nor Asians but
>>> Americans. Just like Finns are both North European and European.
>>> It would be insane to insist Finns being North European but not
>>> European.
>>
>>As far as people from Latin America are concerned, Canadians are
>>Americans like themselves. Anglophone Americans, whether from
>>Canada or the US, may disagree.
>
> Depends. I don't know any Mexicans who would consider themselcves
> to be Americans in everyday usage. And Canadians would be
> norteamericanos, just like USAns.
>
Well, norteamericanos (or gringos) are American.........

On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 21:51:24 -0700, Hatunen <hatunen@cox.net> wrote:
>On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 13:30:03 -0500, AZ Nomad
><aznomad.3@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote:

>>On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 10:47:43 -0700, Hatunen <hatunen@cox.net> wrote:
>>>On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:27:19 +0300, Markku Grönroos
>>><kurkku@hassuserveri.fi> wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>>"Giovanni Drogo" <drogo@rn.bastiani.ta.invalid> kirjoitti
>>>>viestissä:alpine.LSU.1.00.0807100958590.21972@ cbfrvqba.ynzoengr.vans.vg...
>>>>>>>> yep, russia isnt in the EU.
>>>>>>> It isn't in Europe either.
>>>>>> Really? Tell me what continent it's in then.
>>>>>
>>>>> Vladivostok or Ust Kamchatsk are definitely in Asia
>>>>>
>>>>Once upon a time the Imperial Russia spanned in East all the way to America.
>>>>Then they sold their property to US Americans.
>>
>>>But Russia still shares a border with the United States of
>>>America.
>>
>>huh? w/ alaska? The 'land bridge' hasn't been explosed for eleven
>>thousand years.

>Yes with Alaska. In the ocean. Between Big Diomede and Little
>Diomede islands.

That isn't a shared border. There's that pesky ocean, international waters,
between.

On 7/11/2008 6:35 PM AZ Nomad ignored two million years of human
evolution to write:

> On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 21:51:24 -0700, Hatunen <hatunen@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 13:30:03 -0500, AZ Nomad
>> <aznomad.3@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote:
>
>>> On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 10:47:43 -0700, Hatunen <hatunen@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> But Russia still shares a border with the United States of
>>>> America.
>>> huh? w/ alaska? The 'land bridge' hasn't been explosed for eleven
>>> thousand years.
>
>> Yes with Alaska. In the ocean. Between Big Diomede and Little
>> Diomede islands.
>
> That isn't a shared border. There's that pesky ocean, international waters,
> between.

The waters in between aren't international. Those waters fall within
the boundaries of either the USA or Russia.

"Jack Campin - bogus address" <bogus@purr.> wrote in message
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>> As I said this isn't a language specific issue at all. Because
>> Canadians live in America they aren't Africans nor Asians but
>> Americans. Just like Finns are both North European and European.
>> It would be insane to insist Finns being North European but not
>> European.
>
> As far as people from Latin America are concerned, Canadians are
> Americans like themselves.

You're generalizing too much. I was trying to set Markku straight on the
idea that in Canadian English, an American is a citizen of the USA. Bringing
Spanish into this is only going to confuse the matter.

> Anglophone Americans, whether from Canada or the US, may
> disagree.

Why is it so hard for those of you who've learned your English on the east
side of the Atlantic to understand that in our variations of the language,
no one from Canada (excepting those who moved south and acquired
dual-citizenship) can rightfully be called Americans?

Richard

"Richard" <this@is.invalid> kirjoitti viestissä:g5in01$fi2$1@dns3.cae.ca...
>
> Why is it so hard for those of you who've learned your English on the east
> side of the Atlantic to understand that in our variations of the language,
> no one from Canada (excepting those who moved south and acquired
> dual-citizenship) can rightfully be called Americans?
>
The issue is not language related. It is of geography.