Istanbul and Gallipoli

On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 13:40:28 +0200, Giovanni Drogo <drogo@rn.bastiani.ta.invalid>
wrote:

>On Wed, 4 Jun 2008, Viviane wrote:
>
>> If you are not from Australia, it is hard to understand the devastation
>> caused by the first world war.
>
>I doubt any italian/austrian/french/german/polish/russian/belgian etc.
>will have any difficulty in that. At least those of a certain age.

Something to do with it being a world war?
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Martin

On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 04:49:33 -0700 (PDT), grusl <george.w.russell@>
wrote:

>I imagine I will see the occasional Turk with a week in Istanbul.

and no Michael Newport posts if you are careful.
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Martin

On 4 Jun, 12:49, Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote:
> On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 13:40:28 +0200, Giovanni Drogo <dr...@rn.bastiani.ta.invalid>
> wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 4 Jun 2008, Viviane wrote:
>
> >> If you are not from Australia, it is hard to understand the devastation
> >> caused by the first world war.
>
> >I doubt any italian/austrian/french/german/polish/russian/belgian etc.
> >will have any difficulty in that. At least those of a certain age.
>
> Something to do with it being a world war?
> --
>
> Martin

I think we Brits might have been there too .............

Surreyman

Viviane wrote:

> If you are not from Australia, it is hard to understand the devastation
> caused by the first world war.

Yeah, I'm sure those British, Belgians, French, and Germans (to name
just a few) find it particularly hard to understand. Particularly the
Belgians and French, with Ypres/Ieper and Verdun.

"Gerald Oliver Swift" <goswift@m> kirjoitti
viestissä:6ao8f9F373c0gU1@mid....
> Wonderful, that that after about 2 weeks or so, we have a meaningful
> discussion on rte!
>
You meant to say in rta?

"Markku Grönroos" <kurkku@hassuserveri.fi> wrote in message
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>
> "Gerald Oliver Swift" <goswift@m> kirjoitti
> viestissä:6ao8f9F373c0gU1@mid....
>> Wonderful, that that after about 2 weeks or so, we have a meaningful
>> discussion on rte!
>>
> You meant to say in rta?


The original post was made to both rte and rta.

rta is still relatively unpolluted, thankfully.
rte is another matter, no thanks to certain individuals!

Gerry

On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 14:55:30 -0400, "Sarah Banick" <sbanick@>
wrote:

>
>"yedyegiss" <ddg++ss0net3een0lln0ll@!gmmaaaiilll..com> wrote in message
>news:6anq5cF37bltvU1@mid....
>> Viviane wrote:
>>
>>> If you are not from Australia, it is hard to understand the devastation
>>> caused by the first world war.
>>
>> Yeah, I'm sure those British, Belgians, French, and Germans (to name
>> just a few) find it particularly hard to understand. Particularly the
>> Belgians and French, with Ypres/Ieper and Verdun.
>>
>
>I think everyone is reading Viviane's meaning incorrectly. I think she's
>trying to say, it's hard to understand the effect the first WW had on
>Aussies unless you're an Aussie.
>

If we misunderstood then it's because what she wrote isn't what she meant.
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Martin

Martin wrote:

> On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 14:55:30 -0400, "Sarah Banick" <sbanick@>
> wrote:
>
>>"yedyegiss" <ddg++ss0net3een0lln0ll@!gmmaaaiilll..com> wrote in message
>>news:6anq5cF37bltvU1@mid....
>>
>>>Viviane wrote:
>>>
>>>>If you are not from Australia, it is hard to understand the devastation
>>>>caused by the first world war.
>>>
>>>Yeah, I'm sure those British, Belgians, French, and Germans (to name
>>>just a few) find it particularly hard to understand. Particularly the
>>>Belgians and French, with Ypres/Ieper and Verdun.
>>
>>I think everyone is reading Viviane's meaning incorrectly. I think she's
>>trying to say, it's hard to understand the effect the first WW had on
>>Aussies unless you're an Aussie.
>
> If we misunderstood then it's because what she wrote isn't what she meant.

You beat me to it. (ObAOL: Me 2oo!!!1!1!1!!!)

This is not to minimi{s|z}e what Gallipoli meant to the Australians, of
course. But clarity of communication is a wonderful thing.

"Gerald Oliver Swift" <goswift@m> wrote in message
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> Wonderful, that that after about 2 weeks or so, we have a meaningful
> discussion on rte!
> And also really pleased that some of the regular contributors are still
> about.
>
> And as for my 2 penneth worth..... Cannakkle is a small. non-descript town
> with a harbour on the Dardanelles - but it is the jumping off point for
> both Gallipoli and Troy.
> Irrespective of nationality, interest in WW1, etc., Gallipoli is a MUST -
> as too, obviously, is Troy.
> Tours to both sites are widely available just about everywhere in
> Cannakkale.
>

I don't have my hopes set terribly high, but it will be a worthwhile visit
for me. And a harbour on the Dardanelles can't be all bad. Fish sandwiches,
at least?

Cheers,
George W Russell
Bangalore

" A Mate" <maybe@somewhere.com.au> wrote in message
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> There's a deal to see at Gallipoli - both in the Anzac Cove area and Cape
> Hermes. If your time is limited - as yours is then a guided tour will be
> best. Be sure you link up with a company which will tour the area of
> interest to you. Essentially there are Australian and NZ 'hot' spots;
> British interest points, and the Turkish memorials in both areas.
> Personally I found the Quinn's Post area (near the Sergeant Mehmet
> memorial) the most interesting. There are reconstructed trenches on the
> original lines here too.
>
> In the Cannakale Naval Base there is a smallish Turkish military nuseum
> (not far from the Fort) - it has excellent computer driven (in at least 3
> languages) interpretative 'posts' which explain just what lay behind the
> whole Gallopoli campaign, and how the Turks won. Winston Churchill, First
> Lord of the Admiralty at the time, took a long time to 'live down' the
> disaster he inspired.
>
> You can - of course - also get easily to Troy from Cannakale.
>
> We spent 3 nights at Gelibolu (the Turkish town near the Battlefields
> National Park) and rented a car - so we moved at our own pace to just what
> we wanted to see - but still took 4 full days to see everything we wanted
> to in the area. The ferry from Cannakale to the battlefield is frequent
> and fairly quick.
>


Thanks for that - very helpful. The heads-up on the military museum is
especially appreciated.

Cheers,
George W Russell
Bangalore