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Following up to The Reid <mikereidclothing@freedomnames.co.uk> wrote:

> But a lot of relatively efficient
>miles have more effect than a very few less efficient ones.
>--
or rather may do. It seems we dont have any numbers.
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Following up to The Reid <mikereidclothing@freedomnames.co.uk> wrote:

>>I often find people don't have a clue about their public transport
>>alternatives though.

heres the less sarky answer:-)

take me and Bluewater, i'm probably fairly typical of people.

I can take 15 min walk to the station, 20 minutes on train, 10 minute
walk other end
shop
walk back to station
wait for next train, up to 30 minutes
15 min walk home, maybe with big bags.

or I can drive in 10 mniutes each way. I know the PT alternative in
this case (did it once), will I use it again? Of course not.

On other occasions I dont know the PT alternative, will I bother to
find out? Of course not. Its likely to be the same comparison.

Keep the shops in central london and i'll go by train.
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Following up to d4g4h4.uk (David Horne) wrote:

>> of course I know that "*per mile*".
>
>So journey length isn't everything. Thanks.

of course it isn't "everything". The question is will it be the most
significant? We dont know.
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On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 13:59:12 +0100, d4g4h4.uk (David Horne) wrote:

>The Reid <mikereidclothing@freedomnames.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Following up to d4g4h4.uk (David Horne) wrote:
>>
>> >> its still true that a % of a small % isn't much.
>> >
>> >The school run isn't much? Wow.
>>
>> I questioned what % of pollution the very short car journeys *you*
>> raised were. Do you know the answer?
>
>No. I doubt it's insignificant, and like I said, it impacts on
>congestion.
>
>> >> *And* it isn't what
>> >> we were talking about.
>> >
>> >What _were_ we talking about then?!
>>
>> The subjects were long drives and short visit flying
>
>Which is why you brought up trips to the supermarket?

This will amuse some, taking into account that most of the R'dam, Hague,
Amsterdam motorway the A4 is three lanes each way, that this is a major bottle
neck, that IKEA is building a new store adjacent to this part of the A4 and that
IKEA expects 30,000 customers a day.

"No third lane for A 4 at Leiden

25 July 2007

THE HAGUE – The Council of State has ruled against the widening of the A 4
motorway between Leiden and Burgerveen. In a case brought before the Council by
the environmentalist organisation Milieudefensie the Council ruled on Wednesday
that air pollution would increase when an extra lane over a length of 20
kilometres was added to the two already existing lanes. It has been stipulated
that the air quality should at least remain the same when new roads are added.
The Council of State argued that a third lane, even with a speed limit of 80
kilometres per hour, would increase the emission of nitrogen and possibly that
of particulate matter."
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Martin

Following up to d4g4h4.uk (David Horne) wrote:

>> of course it isn't "everything".
>
>You just said:
>
>"Pollution? journey length will be everything,"
>
>> The question is will it be the most
>> significant? We dont know.
>
>So you've changed your mind in a few minutes? Jeez...

read for sense.
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Following up to d4g4h4.uk (David Horne) wrote:

>> >So you've changed your mind in a few minutes? Jeez...
>>
>> read for sense.
>
>I did. It was nonsense.

if you think I dont know cars are less efficient at slow speeds or
thought that pollution could be 100% from one type of usage and 0%
from another, well.....

bed, David, David lie on bed.
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On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:10:26 +0100, d4g4h4.uk (David Horne) wrote:

>Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:
>
>[]
>> This will amuse some, taking into account that most of the R'dam, Hague,
>> Amsterdam motorway the A4 is three lanes each way, that this is a major
>> bottle neck, that IKEA is building a new store adjacent to this part of
>> the A4 and that IKEA expects 30,000 customers a day.
>
>Heh. There were plans to build an IKEA near Stockport recently, but John
>Preston scuppered it on the basis that the site wasn't accessible enough
>without a car.

Planning permission for this one was initially rejected on the basis of studies
showing the congestion it would cause to an already congested motorway. Finally
they commissioned a study that claimed all 30,000 shoppers/day would be drawn
from Leiden (Population of Leiden area about 300,000), no mention on how local
roads would cope, but I doubt that anybody believed the study anyway.

>I remember quite a bit of tittering on 5 Live Drive
>(geddit!) saying that you could hardly get the flatpacks into a
>backpack. i may have even laught. Ho-ho- never mind that you can't fit a
>sofa into most family cars either...
>
>Anyway, another IKEA was built (there's already one in the area near
>Warrington) in Ashton on former wasteground- a few minutes from the
>train and bus stations. We went recently and bought some stuff! :)
>
>That's a minor planning success story IMO...
>
>Another major furniture store, a little bit more upmarket (ILVA) has
>been built in the centre of Manchester, again on land that used to be a
>dump.

Flood plain? :-)
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Martin

On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:10:26 +0100, d4g4h4.uk (David Horne) wrote:

>The Reid <mikereidclothing@freedomnames.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Following up to d4g4h4.uk (David Horne) wrote:
>>
>> >> of course it isn't "everything".
>> >
>> >You just said:
>> >
>> >"Pollution? journey length will be everything,"
>> >
>> >> The question is will it be the most
>> >> significant? We dont know.
>> >
>> >So you've changed your mind in a few minutes? Jeez...
>>
>> read for sense.
>
>I did. It was nonsense.

Reid for nonsense? :-)
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Martin

Following up to Doesn't Frequently Mop
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:

>>What _were_ we talking about then?!
>
>Probably cars vs pt.

cars v flying, thinner ice.
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Following up to Iceman <oneofcoldm> wrote:

> the Europeans and
>Asians are increasingly making their cities more like US cities (car
>dependency; sprawl; and residential, commercial, and office districts
>far apart).

theres a fair number of people arguing London should be allowed to
spread out into its green belt, oddly the two proponents I hear most
are anti car people!!! Odd.
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