Scenic areas in England

[Chris H]

In message <gu1ci8$alv$1@news.motzarella.org>, William Black
<william.black@***********.uk> writes
>
>"J. Clarke" <jclarke.usenet@cox.net> wrote in message
>news:gu154m09l1@news1.newsguy.com...
>> William Black wrote:
>>> "Jack Campin - bogus address" <bogus@purr.*************> wrote in
>>> message news:bogus-F1EE70.10523408052009@news.albasani.net...
>>>
>>>> Very little of the IRA's funding came from North America - about 10%,
>>>> of which only a fraction would have had anything to do with NORAID
>>>> (being a charity, they were audited). Most of their funds were
>>>> raised in Northern Ireland itself by protection racketeering.
>>>
>>> Almost all the guns came from the USA.
>>
>> It's my understanding that most of the firearms owned by the IRA were
>> Kalashnikovs,

Only in Hollywood films. Though they did have a range of weapons
including Russian and Chinese a lot of it was American.

>The guns that did the killing were almost all .50 cal specialist rifles of
>US manufacture.
>
>They were also very keen on CAR 15 rifles made by Colt.

Next you will tell me Colt are American... :-)

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[S Viemeister]

Jürgen Exner wrote:
> tony cooper <tony_cooper213@**************> wrote:
>> Since we
>> don't live in a little island where it requires a passport to travel
>> 200 miles to some place it isn't raining, we have less interest in
>> having a passport.
>
> I wonder which island you are talking about. Can't be GB or Ireland or
> any of those 'cause for the past 40-50 years you didn't need a passport
> to travel within Western Europe and since about 20 years with very few
> exceptions you don't need a passport to travel anywhere in Europe.
>
The UK isn't part of the Schengen group.

> Amazing that on the other hand the US now(!) requires a passport even
> for their own citizen just to return from a trip from their immediate
> neighbours.
>
> jue

[Chris H]

In message <gu1fps$8ui$1@news.motzarella.org>, William Black
<william.black@***********.uk> writes
>
>"Chris H" <chris@phaedsys.org> wrote in message
>news:Qy4iavOx6DBKFAa8@phaedsys.*************...
>> In message <gu1ci8$alv$1@news.motzarella.org>, William Black
>> <william.black@***********.uk> writes
>>>
>>>"J. Clarke" <jclarke.usenet@cox.net> wrote in message
>>>news:gu154m09l1@news1.newsguy.com...
>>>> William Black wrote:
>>>>> "Jack Campin - bogus address" <bogus@purr.*************> wrote in
>>>>> message news:bogus-F1EE70.10523408052009@news.albasani.net...
>>>>>
>>>>>> Very little of the IRA's funding came from North America - about 10%,
>>>>>> of which only a fraction would have had anything to do with NORAID
>>>>>> (being a charity, they were audited). Most of their funds were
>>>>>> raised in Northern Ireland itself by protection racketeering.
>>>>>
>>>>> Almost all the guns came from the USA.
>>>>
>>>> It's my understanding that most of the firearms owned by the IRA were
>>>> Kalashnikovs,
>>
>> Only in Hollywood films. Though they did have a range of weapons
>> including Russian and Chinese a lot of it was American.
>>
>>>The guns that did the killing were almost all .50 cal specialist rifles of
>>>US manufacture.
>>>
>>>They were also very keen on CAR 15 rifles made by Colt.
>>
>> Next you will tell me Colt are American... :-)
>
>I have a suspicion that you don't know how to read a Usenet post in standard
>format...

I carried a 1911A1 for many years.
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[S Viemeister]

Jürgen Exner wrote:
> S Viemeister <forename@surname.oc.ku> wrote:
>> Jürgen Exner wrote:
>>> tony cooper <tony_cooper213@**************> wrote:
>>>> Since we
>>>> don't live in a little island where it requires a passport to travel
>>>> 200 miles to some place it isn't raining, we have less interest in
>>>> having a passport.
>>> I wonder which island you are talking about. Can't be GB or Ireland or
>>> any of those 'cause for the past 40-50 years you didn't need a passport
>>> to travel within Western Europe and since about 20 years with very few
>>> exceptions you don't need a passport to travel anywhere in Europe.
>>>
>> The UK isn't part of the Schengen group.
>
> True, but you don't need (as a 'European') a passport to travel between
> the UK and the rest of Europe, a simple ID will do.
>
>
But the UK is only just starting to set up an ID card scheme.

[S Viemeister]

Jürgen Exner wrote:
> S Viemeister <forename@surname.oc.ku> wrote:
>> Jürgen Exner wrote:
>>> True, but you don't need (as a 'European') a passport to travel between
>>> the UK and the rest of Europe, a simple ID will do.
>>>
>> But the UK is only just starting to set up an ID card scheme.
>
> Different problem.
>
> You still don't need a passport to travel between the UK and almost all
> the rest of Europe (as a 'European'). If you do not have an ID card,
> well, then obviously you have to fall back to some other means of
> identification/authentication like a passport.
> But I personally have been to the UK numerous times without presenting a
> passport, my ID card was entirely sufficient.
>
>
For a British citizen travelling from the UK to elsewhere in Europe, a
passport is required, until the ID card becomes widespread (assuming it
does).

[Keith Willshaw]

"Jürgen Exner" <jurgenex@***********m> wrote in message
news:m1h905t1vk4uuvtfqv72pescg2nbit6d9g@********...
>S Viemeister <forename@surname.oc.ku> wrote:
>>Jürgen Exner wrote:
>>> S Viemeister <forename@surname.oc.ku> wrote:
>>>> Jürgen Exner wrote:
>>>>> True, but you don't need (as a 'European') a passport to travel
>>>>> between
>>>>> the UK and the rest of Europe, a simple ID will do.
>>>>>
>>>> But the UK is only just starting to set up an ID card scheme.
>>>
>>> Different problem.
>>>
>>> You still don't need a passport to travel between the UK and almost all
>>> the rest of Europe (as a 'European'). If you do not have an ID card,
>>> well, then obviously you have to fall back to some other means of
>>> identification/authentication like a passport.
>>> But I personally have been to the UK numerous times without presenting a
>>> passport, my ID card was entirely sufficient.
>>>
>>For a British citizen travelling from the UK to elsewhere in Europe, a
>>passport is required, until the ID card becomes widespread (assuming it
>>does).
>
> So what? Following your line of argumentation people need a visa to
> enter the UK because that is a requirement for some countries as well as
> for convicted felons. That's plain ridiculous.
> Let me just ask you one question: if that British citizen happens to
> have an ID card, can he use that ID card in lieu of a passport?
>

At the present moment there is no such thing as a British ID card

Keith

[Bob Larter]

Ian F. wrote:
> "Chris H" <chris@phaedsys.org> wrote in message
> news:M90VZ8CGi$AKFAR0@phaedsys.*************...
>
>> It is the three middle eastern religions that cause all the trouble in
>> the world.
>
> Basically, religious wars are just a load of people arguing over who has
> the best imaginary friend.

Yeah, I find it hard to understand why people get so het up about
invisible sky pixies.

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[William Black]

"Bob Larter" <bobbylarter@**********> wrote in message
news:4a05636b$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
> Ian F. wrote:
>> "Chris H" <chris@phaedsys.org> wrote in message
>> news:M90VZ8CGi$AKFAR0@phaedsys.*************...
>>
>>> It is the three middle eastern religions that cause all the trouble in
>>> the world.
>>
>> Basically, religious wars are just a load of people arguing over who has
>> the best imaginary friend.
>
> Yeah, I find it hard to understand why people get so het up about
> invisible sky pixies.

As a general rule they're not.

They're arguing about who getsthe gold and the land that people have given
to the sky pixie's representatives.

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William Black

Razors pain you;
Rivers are damp;
Acids stain you;
And drugs cause cramp.
Guns aren't lawful;
Nooses give;
Gas smells awful;
You might as well live.

[Ron Hunter]

Mike wrote:
> On Fri, 08 May 2009 09:22:48 -0700, Jürgen Exner
> <jurgenex@***********m> wrote:
>
>> True, but you don't need (as a 'European') a passport to travel between
>> the UK and the rest of Europe, a simple ID will do.
>
> a passport is a simple ID and also what Brits need to travel.

A passport is FAR from simple! The newest ones have some pretty exotic
technology behind them. Also takes a LOT more work to get one, at least
in the US.

[Keith Willshaw]

"Ron Hunter" <rphunter@charter.net> wrote in message
news:KtCdndXBcPQQH5jXnZ2dnUVZ_o2dnZ2d@giganews.com ...
> Mike wrote:
>> On Fri, 08 May 2009 09:22:48 -0700, Jürgen Exner
>> <jurgenex@***********m> wrote:
>>
>>> True, but you don't need (as a 'European') a passport to travel between
>>> the UK and the rest of Europe, a simple ID will do.
>>
>> a passport is a simple ID and also what Brits need to travel.
>
> A passport is FAR from simple! The newest ones have some pretty exotic
> technology behind them. Also takes a LOT more work to get one, at least
> in the US.
>

The sort of ID proposed for the UK is even more exotic and costly
than a passport. It is supposed to have biometric data on a chip
and be linked to a massive government database.

Keith