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Old 12th April 2006, 04:57 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Tim C. <tim.challenger@aon.at> writes:

> Following up to "tile" <supertile@libero.it> :
>
> >
> >I can say I paid with eur when i bought a few sweaters inside the walls of
> >old tallinn
> >but of course the rate of exchange was different ( worse ) rom the one I
> >could have had exchanging money officially.-
> >
> >I also got my change in eur ( Finnish.. )
> >
> >but that does not mean that eur circulates officially
> >
> >I guess I also paid my taxi to the airport with eur.. but again as I had no
> >more crowns and I left a small tip.

>
> Of course it'll all be moot by the next 1st January, when Estonia joins the
> Eurozone.


If, surely? Or do you know something I don't? Last I heard, only
Slovenia could afford to be smug about that.

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Old 12th April 2006, 05:19 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Following up to Des Small <vonbladet.uk> :

>Tim C. <tim.challenger@aon.at> writes:
>
>> Following up to "tile" <supertile@libero.it> :
>>
>> >
>> >I can say I paid with eur when i bought a few sweaters inside the walls of
>> >old tallinn
>> >but of course the rate of exchange was different ( worse ) rom the one I
>> >could have had exchanging money officially.-
>> >
>> >I also got my change in eur ( Finnish.. )
>> >
>> >but that does not mean that eur circulates officially
>> >
>> >I guess I also paid my taxi to the airport with eur.. but again as I had no
>> >more crowns and I left a small tip.

>>
>> Of course it'll all be moot by the next 1st January, when Estonia joins the
>> Eurozone.

>
>If, surely? Or do you know something I don't? Last I heard, only
>Slovenia could afford to be smug about that.


According to the EU's site of the current state it's still all go for
Estonia, Slovenia and Lithuania for 2007-01-01
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Old 12th April 2006, 05:50 AM   #23 (permalink)
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"Richard J." <rjnews@stayparis.net> writes:

> Alan S wrote:
> > On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 20:55:47 +0100, "tim \(back at home\)"
> > <tim_back_home2006.uk> wrote:
> >
> > A difference in character sets. That ? shows up as a Euro
> > symbol on my newsreader. Sorry it didn't translate to yours.

>
> It didn't translate because you sent the message using ISO-8859-1
> character set which does not include the euro symbol. You need to
> send it in Unicode (UTF-8) if you want other people to see it.


What's ISO-8859-15, chopped liver? But speaking of €s, let's see what
my newsreader perpetrates for one. (This is rec.test.encodings, isn't
it?)

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Old 12th April 2006, 06:43 AM   #24 (permalink)
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"Alan S" <nothere@there.com> wrote in message:
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> It will vary. Istanbul is only three nights, but I suspect
> I'll do best in the bazaars in new lira. The others will be
> roughly a week each.


The concept of doing "best" in bazaars in Istanbul is a moving target! I
hope you like to bargain, and I hope you're good at it. My husband's and
my goal was to purchase something we loved at a price we were
comfortable paying. Even though we'd read all the guidebook
recommendations on how to bargain, we always assumed that one way or
another we had left money on the table in our negotiations. After all,
the merchants of Istanbul are skilled retailers after centuries of practice.

It helps that the Grand Bazaar and the Spice Market contain thousands of
stalls selling similar merchandise. This will let you stay somewhat
disengaged while you're trying to negotiate a mutually acceptable price.

Karen Selwyn

 
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Old 12th April 2006, 06:48 AM   #25 (permalink)
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Karen Selwyn <kselwyntacc@erols.com> writes:

> Even though we'd read all the guidebook recommendations on how to
> bargain, we always assumed that one way or another we had left money
> on the table in our negotiations. After all, the merchants of
> Istanbul are skilled retailers after centuries of practice.


They don't look a day over 180.

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Old 12th April 2006, 09:57 AM   #26 (permalink)
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On 12 Apr 2006 11:48:37 +0100, Des Small <vonbladet.uk>
wrote:

>Karen Selwyn <kselwyntacc@erols.com> writes:
>
>> Even though we'd read all the guidebook recommendations on how to
>> bargain, we always assumed that one way or another we had left money
>> on the table in our negotiations. After all, the merchants of
>> Istanbul are skilled retailers after centuries of practice.

>
>They don't look a day over 180.


They don't need to be a day over 8.
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Old 12th April 2006, 12:35 PM   #27 (permalink)
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"Hatunen" <hatuunen@cox.net> kirjoitti
viestissä:djaq32t43o3ajlgbpnjrfd7dfqshm51mjm@4ax.c om...
> On Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:26:13 +0300, "Markku Grönroos"
> <kurkku@hassuserveri.fi> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Alan S" <nothere@there.com> kirjoitti
>>viestissä:2cjo32dbidmb6bl8fafu23gkdhmag5fpcd@4ax .com...
>>> On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 20:57:32 +0300, "Markku Grönroos"
>>> <kurkku@hassuserveri.fi> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> In Tallinn euros are probably more sidely accepted in the tourist
>>>>> areas than is Estonian currency, since almost everyone who comes
>>>>> there comes from Finland and has euros (save some Swedes). The
>>>>
>>>>This is untrue. The Estonian crown is truly the legal tender in Estonia.
>>>>Crowns are the way to pay for anything in the country.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Markku - I've never been there, so I don't know. However, if
>>> it's like most places I've been, laws and the observance of
>>> them are rarely a perfect match.
>>>

>>Your euros buy in Tallinn as much as they do on Bondi Beach.

>
> Come, come. I know for a fact you can buy stuff with euros in
> Tallinn. And I would hazard a guess a Bondi Beach vendor will
> stare at you as if you were crazy if you proffered euros.
>

I know you can do so at Bondi. Just raise your stakes. Estonia is just as
any other *Western* European country: you buy with local money.


 
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Old 12th April 2006, 12:37 PM   #28 (permalink)
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"Hatunen" <hatuunen@cox.net> kirjoitti
viestissä:c5aq329nmjvsuu41buta72mlj6u734nmd8@4ax.c om...
>
>>Money of course
>>can take many forms. It can be anything from squirrel furs to highly
>>delicate eletronic terminal devices. I am certain it is illegal for any
>>public house in the USA not to accept US banking notes for payment.

>
> What you are certain of is irrelevant. The Treasury Department
> clearly makes it clear that this is not the case.
>

I am convinced you have misinterpreted the authority.


 
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Old 12th April 2006, 01:12 PM   #29 (permalink)
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On Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:26:57 -0700, Hatunen <hatuunen@cox.net> wrote:


>The Estonians were threatening to switch to the euro even before
>they joined the EU. I believe Slovenia was, as well.


as Montenegro and Malta have already done...
 
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Old 12th April 2006, 01:17 PM   #30 (permalink)
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On 12/04/06 19:12, in article g5dq321s2a055jgjkboeu8ntv7g988dude@,
"kellallah@cameil.org" <kellallah@cameil.org> wrote:

> On Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:26:57 -0700, Hatunen <hatuunen@cox.net> wrote:
>
>
>> The Estonians were threatening to switch to the euro even before
>> they joined the EU. I believe Slovenia was, as well.

>
> as Montenegro and Malta have already done...



and last week

Dollar falls as Mideast banks mull switch to euro reserves

By The Associated Press

[oas:casperstartribune.net/news/business:Middle1]

NEW YORK (AP) -- The dollar fell against most major currencies Tuesday as
some Middle Eastern central banks indicated that they could switch more of
their currency reserves to euros.

The euro bought $1.2258 in late New York trading, up from $1.2141 in New
York late Monday. The British pound rose to $1.7551 from $1.7384.

The dollar also fell against the Japanese currency, sinking to 117.42 yen
from 117.65 yen.

At a meeting of central bank governors and monetary agencies of the Gulf
Cooperation Countries in Abu Dhabi, some officials said they were
considering switching more of their reserves to the 12-nation euro from the
dollar.

The governor of Qatar's central bank, Abdulla Bin Khaled al-Attiyah, said up
to 40 percent of its foreign exchange reserves could be held in euros.

"The percentage we are at right now is confidential, but we are looking at
the movement of currencies and we are considering the overall return to our
portfolio," he told reporters.

At the same conference, the head of the United Arab Emirates' central bank
said a decision on whether to shift 10 percent of its foreign reserves into
euros from dollars was postponed until next month.

"We will discuss the issue again in a month's time when the board meets,"
said Sultan al-Suwaidi.

Last month, he said the UAE could shift 10 percent of its estimated $23
billion worth of dollar reserves into better-performing euros. The bank
currently holds about 2 percent of its reserves in euros, with the rest in
dollars.

The euro may get support from the European Central Bank, which analysts
expect to indicate Thursday that it will raise interest rates from the
current 2.5 percent next month.

The dollar has benefited over the past year from a string of rate increases
by the U.S. Federal Reserve, but that may be nearing an end while the ECB
and the Bank of Japan move to tighten their own monetary policy.

In a Dow Jones Newswires survey of 20 leading foreign exchange dealers, the
dollar was seen ending the year considerably lower versus the euro and the
yen.

The median estimate saw the euro at $1.21 by the end of April, $1.22 by the
end of June, and $1.27 by the end of the year.

It also saw the dollar at 115.50 yen by April 30, 115 yen by the end of May,
and 108 yen by the end of the year.

In other trading, the dollar bought 1.2896 Swiss francs, down from 1.3041
late Monday, and 1.1621 Canadian dollars, down from 1.1726.


 
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