Currencies and Euros

"Alan S" <nothere@there.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 09:51:15 +0100, Dubiously Fragrant
> Muffin <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>
>>If you are spending more than a few days in a country, it's probably
>>worth changing to local cash, as you wont get a good deal if you pay
>>in Euros in a non-Euro country. Having said that, pretty much anywhere
>>will accept the Euro!
>>
>>If your paying over the net in $AU, and then converting into Euro, and
>>then into local currency, then it's anyones guess as to the value you
>>get!
>
> Thanks.
>
> It will vary. Istanbul is only three nights, but I suspect
> I'll do best in the bazaars in new lira. The others will be
> roughly a week each.
>
> And no, I'm not quite silly enough to try to use AU$ in
> Eastern Europe or over the net. All my net pre-pays are in
> either US$, ? or £.

How many question mark do you get for the Aussie dollar?

tim

On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 20:55:47 +0100, "tim \(back at home\)"
<tim_back_home2006.uk> wrote:

>>
>> And no, I'm not quite silly enough to try to use AU$ in
>> Eastern Europe or over the net. All my net pre-pays are in
>> either US$, ? or £.
>
>How many question mark do you get for the Aussie dollar?
>
>tim

A difference in character sets. That ? shows up as a Euro
symbol on my newsreader. Sorry it didn't translate to yours.

Cheers, Alan, Australia

On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 20:57:32 +0300, "Markku Grönroos"
<kurkku@hassuserveri.fi> wrote:

>> In Tallinn euros are probably more sidely accepted in the tourist
>> areas than is Estonian currency, since almost everyone who comes
>> there comes from Finland and has euros (save some Swedes). The
>
>This is untrue. The Estonian crown is truly the legal tender in Estonia.
>Crowns are the way to pay for anything in the country.
>

Markku - I've never been there, so I don't know. However, if
it's like most places I've been, laws and the observance of
them are rarely a perfect match.
Cheers, Alan, Australia

"Alan S" <nothere@there.com> kirjoitti
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> On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 20:57:32 +0300, "Markku Grönroos"
> <kurkku@hassuserveri.fi> wrote:
>
>>> In Tallinn euros are probably more sidely accepted in the tourist
>>> areas than is Estonian currency, since almost everyone who comes
>>> there comes from Finland and has euros (save some Swedes). The
>>
>>This is untrue. The Estonian crown is truly the legal tender in Estonia.
>>Crowns are the way to pay for anything in the country.
>>
>
> Markku - I've never been there, so I don't know. However, if
> it's like most places I've been, laws and the observance of
> them are rarely a perfect match.
>
Your euros buy in Tallinn as much as they do on Bondi Beach.

"Hatunen" <hatuunen@cox.net> kirjoitti
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>
> In general, I can't imagine they wouldn't (assuming it's a
> restaruant in the USA); they wouldn't stay in business long. But
> they could accept only credit cards. They might want to say so up
> front to avoid nastiness later, though.
>
Credit cards are naturally legal tender too: they are charged in US dollars.
Somehow you are confused with currencies and media of money. Money of course
can take many forms. It can be anything from squirrel furs to highly
delicate eletronic terminal devices. I am certain it is illegal for any
public house in the USA not to accept US banking notes for payment.

"Markku Grönroos" <kurkku@hassuserveri.fi> writes:

> However, this is an exception. Euro notes are about as useful in
> Tallinn as they are - let's say in Arizona. Naturally if taxi meter
> reads 50 crowns at the end of a journey and you offer 10 euros to
> the driver telling that he can keep it all, there is a good chance
> that you have a deal. Generally when shopping around in Tallinn,
> don't count on euros though.

Did you actually TRY?

Hint: they don't have to keep a stash of a foreign change to accept
euro, they can accept euro and give a change in local money. That's
the way it usually works.

MJ

"Michal Jankowski" <michalj@fuw.edu.pl> kirjoitti
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> "Markku Grönroos" <kurkku@hassuserveri.fi> writes:
>
>> However, this is an exception. Euro notes are about as useful in
>> Tallinn as they are - let's say in Arizona. Naturally if taxi meter
>> reads 50 crowns at the end of a journey and you offer 10 euros to
>> the driver telling that he can keep it all, there is a good chance
>> that you have a deal. Generally when shopping around in Tallinn,
>> don't count on euros though.
>
> Did you actually TRY?
>
I have never tried that in Stockholm for instance. Nor in Oslo. I have never
paid by Estonian crowns in Helsinki

"tile" <supertile@libero.it> kirjoitti
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>
> I can say I paid with eur when i bought a few sweaters inside the walls
> of old tallinn
> but of course the rate of exchange was different ( worse ) rom the one I
> could have had exchanging money officially.-
>
By these terms one can by anywhere by any convertible currency.

Hatunen <hatuunen@cox.net> writes:

> On 12 Apr 2006 00:01:24 +0100, Des Small <vonbladet.uk>
> wrote:
>
> >Hatunen <hatuunen@cox.net> writes:
> >
> >> You deleted part of it:
> >>
> >> "There is, however, no Federal statute mandating that a private
> >> business, a person or an organization must accept currency or coins
> >> as for payment for goods and/or services. Private businesses are
> >> free to develop their own policies on whether or not to accept cash
> >> unless there is a State law which says otherwise. "
> >>
> >> Nobody has to accept it no time if they don't want to.
> >
> >Of course they do, in that time in which debts are to be settled.
> >Your quote and mine agree on that. Your restored quote is surely
> >about "invitation to treat" ("invitation to bargain" in USian) which
> >is where payment usually applies.
>
> Where does it say "invitiation to anything".

It doesn't _say_ invitation to anything, which is a defect in its
explanation. It is notheless _about_ invitation to bargain, and if it
said so then it would be clearer.

> >The whole point is that debts aren't debts until they're incurred,
> >which in most commercial transactions (for particular example, in
> >shopping) they aren't. In particular, the US treasuries examples
> >(bus fares, movie theatres, etc.) are in no way or manner
> >counter-examples to my thesis, since all of them very clearly fall
> >under "invitation to bargain". For concreteness, take the
> >commonest situation where they debts are incurred in everyday life:
> >a restaurant where the bill is settled afterwards. Are you saying
> >that a US restaurant need not accept (USian) legal tender in this
> >situation?
>
> In general, I can't imagine they wouldn't (assuming it's a
> restaruant in the USA); they wouldn't stay in business long. But
> they could accept only credit cards. They might want to say so up
> front to avoid nastiness later, though.

If my reading of the law is correct, they would have to have an
implicit contract to that effect before the meal was eaten for it to
be valid.

Can anyone supply an example of this? (Note that there are
limitations in some jurisdictions on the amount of small change that
can be used to settle substantial bills, and that this isn't what I'm
looking for.)

> >If - and only if - so and if - and only if - you can show
> >non-assertory evidence to that effect, such as case-law, I will
> >concede that Wikipedia has misinterpreted US law.
>
> You do understand, don't you, that I care little what you will or
> won't accept?

Of course! I just didn't want you to be misled about what you could
hope to achieve.

Des

Following up to "tile" <supertile@libero.it> :

>
>I can say I paid with eur when i bought a few sweaters inside the walls of
>old tallinn
>but of course the rate of exchange was different ( worse ) rom the one I
>could have had exchanging money officially.-
>
>I also got my change in eur ( Finnish.. )
>
>but that does not mean that eur circulates officially
>
>I guess I also paid my taxi to the airport with eur.. but again as I had no
>more crowns and I left a small tip.


Of course it'll all be moot by the next 1st January, when Estonia joins the
Eurozone.
--
Tim C.