French teachers salary

Mxsmanic wrote:

> Others jumped to that conclusion.

What conclusion was that?
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Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@> wrote:

> Stanislas de Kertanguy writes:
>
> > I don't agree. My daily commuting time varies between 1h15 and 1h30 each
> > way (it will be cut by a nice 15 minutes when I get a bike to cover the
> > last miles between the RER station and the school). Just to be sure, I
> > always consider 1h30 as the safety margin, and it works fine.
>
> My commutes to Les Ulis varied between about 60 minutes and about 150
> minutes, depending on exactly when trains and shuttles arrived and
> left and the time of departure. The average was about 90 minutes, and
> that's what I normally allowed for.

So you say it yourself: no need for three hours!

> My commutes to Rueil-Malmaison average 60 minutes, but can be as short
> as 40 minutes or as long as 90 minutes.
>
> My commutes to La Défense usually average 45 minutes. My commutes to
> Neuilly usually average 35 minutes. Going to school requires about 20
> minutes.
>
> > The probability for big, really mess-prone delays (a suicide at 7.30 in
> > the RER, an misused emergency brake or a train stuck in the tunnel) is
> > low enough to neglect it.
>
> There are delays about 30% of the time in the RER, in my experience.

If you take only RER C and D, you can meet that figure. A, B and E lines
are more punctual in my experience (but C and D are very cumbersome).

> > Of course, if something supremely important is involved (such as an exam
> > where arriving late would cause immediate fail), extra precautions are
> > worthy.
>
> Just arriving late fails an exam? That's odd--unless it's an exam of
> punctuality.

You'll certainly find it very French, very odd or je-ne-sais-quoi, but
arriving late at some French public exams and most of written
competitive exams (such as the CAPES), arriving after the opening of the
subject enveloppes them is arriving for nothing. You won't be allowed
in, and you will be failed.

That's why some candidates book a hotel within walking distance of the
place of examination.


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Mxsmanic a écrit :

> Stanislas de Kertanguy writes:
>
> > You'll certainly find it very French, very odd or je-ne-sais-quoi, but
> > arriving late at some French public exams and most of written
> > competitive exams (such as the CAPES), arriving after the opening of the
> > subject enveloppes them is arriving for nothing. You won't be allowed
> > in, and you will be failed.
> >
> > That's why some candidates book a hotel within walking distance of the
> > place of examination.
>
> Maybe they'd be better off going to school in a different country, one
> that isn't still in the dark ages.

Those unable to use sophisticated technological means to send the exam
subject to somebody late ? You certainly can't come in as soon as
somebody knowing the subject has get out of the room of course... which
can happen rather quickly. The principle of equality requires the same
subject for all for a paricular exam and you are required to not arrive
late since exams rarely take place at rising sun hours. I don't
understand how to do otherwise !

didier Meurgues


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Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@> wrote:

> Stanislas de Kertanguy writes:
>
> > You'll certainly find it very French, very odd or je-ne-sais-quoi, but
> > arriving late at some French public exams and most of written
> > competitive exams (such as the CAPES), arriving after the opening of the
> > subject enveloppes them is arriving for nothing. You won't be allowed
> > in, and you will be failed.
> >
> > That's why some candidates book a hotel within walking distance of the
> > place of examination.
>
> Maybe they'd be better off going to school in a different country, one
> that isn't still in the dark ages.

I fail to see how demanding that candidates to an exam be exactly on
time, and denying those who are late, is "being in the dark ages".

It's a matter of equality of treatment.

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Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@> wrote:

> didier Meurgues writes:
>
> > Those unable to use sophisticated technological means to send the exam
> > subject to somebody late ?
>
> What sort of exam has a secret subject?

??? Are you joking, or can't you really see why it is obvious that the
subject of an exam must remain secret until the official beginning hour?

It's just basic ethical principles: all candidates to an exam must be
treated equal. Period. Those who arrive late may have benefited from an
unfair access to the subject and can't be accepted.

Better safe than sorry in this case means that on THE exam day, it is
good to allow hours of margin.


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Martin a écrit :

> On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 00:12:36 +0200, stanislas.dekertanguy@lesptt.net
> (Stanislas de Kertanguy) wrote:
>
> >Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@> wrote:
> >
> >> Stanislas de Kertanguy writes:
> >>
> >> > You'll certainly find it very French, very odd or je-ne-sais-quoi, but
> >> > arriving late at some French public exams and most of written
> >> > competitive exams (such as the CAPES), arriving after the opening of the
> >> > subject enveloppes them is arriving for nothing. You won't be allowed
> >> > in, and you will be failed.
> >> >
> >> > That's why some candidates book a hotel within walking distance of the
> >> > place of examination.
> >>
> >> Maybe they'd be better off going to school in a different country, one
> >> that isn't still in the dark ages.
> >
> >I fail to see how demanding that candidates to an exam be exactly on
> >time, and denying those who are late, is "being in the dark ages".
> >
> >It's a matter of equality of treatment.
>
> It's a matter of ensuring that a candidate leaving early doesn't pass
> the questions to one arriving late.

Or indeed a candidate arriving in the room, seeing the questions, and
reaching into a pocket to select a pre-written SMS to send to a friend
still outside the exam room.

G;

Martin <me@> wrote:

> On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 00:12:36 +0200, stanislas.dekertanguy@lesptt.net
> (Stanislas de Kertanguy) wrote:
>
> >Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@> wrote:
> >
> >> Stanislas de Kertanguy writes:
> >>
> >> > You'll certainly find it very French, very odd or je-ne-sais-quoi, but
> >> > arriving late at some French public exams and most of written
> >> > competitive exams (such as the CAPES), arriving after the opening of the
> >> > subject enveloppes them is arriving for nothing. You won't be allowed
> >> > in, and you will be failed.
> >> >
> >> > That's why some candidates book a hotel within walking distance of the
> >> > place of examination.
> >>
> >> Maybe they'd be better off going to school in a different country, one
> >> that isn't still in the dark ages.
> >
> >I fail to see how demanding that candidates to an exam be exactly on
> >time, and denying those who are late, is "being in the dark ages".
> >
> >It's a matter of equality of treatment.
>
> It's a matter of ensuring that a candidate leaving early doesn't pass
> the questions to one arriving late.

Exactly.

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Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@> wrote:

> Stanislas de Kertanguy writes:
>
> > ??? Are you joking, or can't you really see why it is obvious that the
> > subject of an exam must remain secret until the official beginning hour?
>
> Every exam I've seen has questions on a subject that is well known and
> corresponds to whatever class the exam is for.

Oh, bloody hell, you know very well what I meant by "subject", that is
the translation of French "sujet".

Since you speak French, couldn't you make the link?


So let's be back to your comments: how exactly are the French exams
archaic?
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> >Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@> wrote:

> >> Maybe they'd be better off going to school in a different country, one
> >> that isn't still in the dark ages.

Perhaps, but think of what they'd miss. For example, when I was at
university in the US there was a maths course (18.305) that all the US
students found horribly difficult and all the French students coped
with without sweat having had a much better education in maths back
home.

G;

Stanislas de Kertanguy a écrit :

> Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@> wrote:
>
> > Stanislas de Kertanguy writes:
> >
> > > ??? Are you joking, or can't you really see why it is obvious that the
> > > subject of an exam must remain secret until the official beginning hour?
> >
> > Every exam I've seen has questions on a subject that is well known and
> > corresponds to whatever class the exam is for.
>
> Oh, bloody hell, you know very well what I meant by "subject", that is
> the translation of French "sujet".
>
> Since you speak French, couldn't you make the link?

Of course he did - he's just being deliberately abusive.

G;