French teachers salary

They seem to be reproducing at the rate of Tribbles lately...

Tim K

"Martin" <me@> wrote in message
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> Not particularly. How do you feel about lovable cuddly Mixions?
> --
> Martin

....not after a cold swim...

Tim K

"Carole Allen" <carolea7@> wrote in message
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> >
> >"Mxsmanic" <mxsmanic@> wrote in message
> >news:okqak1h76dcfhh91h1ka56atku62k8sg4g@.. .
> >>
> >> I've considered buying AutoCAD, but it's ruinously expensive, and I
> >> believe it even requires a dongle.
> >>
> On Thu, 06 Oct 2005 18:38:05 GMT, "Timothy Kroesen"
> <TKROESEN@peoplepc.com> wrote:
>
> >Do you have a dongle?
> >
> >Tim K
>
> Does it dangle?>
>

"Mxsmanic" <mxsmanic@> wrote in message
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> Martin writes:

> It's easier to list the things I know than it is to list the things I
> don't know.

Yeah, it's a short list. Besides whining, and posting
endless boring threads on Usenet, is there anything
else you know how to do?

Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@> wrote:

> Stanislas de Kertanguy writes:
>
> > Alas. Some of my pupils have a terrible handwriting, for they
> > practically never write anything out of school. That goes along with
> > incredibly mediocre grammar and spelling. They claim that they never
> > /need/ to write, for they mostly chat on MSN and send textos as an
> > ersatz for communication.
>
> They are largely right. I hardly ever write anything by hand today.

What /you/ might do does not count. What's important is the fact that
those pupils never concentrate enough when writing, are totally careless
when writing papers, and have terrible spelling and grammar
difficulties.


The aim of school is not to yield to pressure from the kids because the
see no /necessity/ in writing.

Letting someone out of school without enough written command of his own
language is a huge mistake, and I fear we shall pay for it.
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"Martin" <me@> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 08 Oct 2005 12:41:46 +0200, Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@>
> wrote:
>
>>Martin writes:
>>
>>> You implied you knew AutoCad and were inhibited from making a living
>>> using it because of the cost of the license.
>>
>>No, I did not. Others jumped to that conclusion.
>
> because that was your intention, otherwise why answer the way you did?
>
> In future I'll know better than to jump to the conclusion that you
> have skills.

I never ever jumped to the conclusion that Mixi had skills, and my strong
suspicion is that you didn't either. If I am wrong in this regard, did I
ever mention that I have a bridge for sale in which I think you may be
interested?

JohnT

Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@> wrote:

> Stanislas de Kertanguy writes:
>
> > What /you/ might do does not count.
>
> Why not? I actually work for a living and live on my own, unlike your
> students, so I know how much handwriting is necessary in real life ...
> and it's not much.

Because there are plenty of people who handwrite a lot as part of their
work. Me, for example.

> > What's important is the fact that
> > those pupils never concentrate enough when writing, are totally careless
> > when writing papers, and have terrible spelling and grammar
> > difficulties.
>
> If you aren't allowed to fail a student for such problems, what can
> you expect?


Failing the students will bring nothing. It wouldn't do any good to
release them into the vast universe and rub our hands as we rejected a
problem. It's our mission as teachers to give them good education,
however, since the dime devoted to French grammar and spelling at
elementary school has _dramatically_ plummeted to a ridiculous 2 hours a
week, we have a hige work to do.

> > The aim of school is not to yield to pressure from the kids because the
> > see no /necessity/ in writing.
> >
> > Letting someone out of school without enough written command of his own
> > language is a huge mistake, and I fear we shall pay for it.
>
> We already are. It has been a problem for decades. Part of the
> reason why kids write poorly is that their parents and grandparents
> write poorly as well.

I don't agree for many reasons. Besides, being confident _as you are_
that handwriting is a thing of the past is the first step to acceptation
of illiteracy. You are not very coherent.

Typing is NOT writing.
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"Mxsmanic" <mxsmanic@> wrote in message
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> Martin writes:
>
>> Why has it taken you until now to admit it?
>
> Nobody had asked about it previously.

That never stopped you before, from going on and on and on
about something which you did not understand, and in which
nobody was interested.

Martin <me@> wrote:

> On Sat, 08 Oct 2005 18:14:17 +0200, Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@>
> wrote:
>
> >Stanislas de Kertanguy writes:
> >
> >> Because there are plenty of people who handwrite a lot as part of their
> >> work. Me, for example.
> >
> >You probably just work in a profession that is far behind the times.
> >
> >> Failing the students will bring nothing. It wouldn't do any good to
> >> release them into the vast universe and rub our hands as we rejected a
> >> problem. It's our mission as teachers to give them good education,
> >> however, since the dime devoted to French grammar and spelling at
> >> elementary school has _dramatically_ plummeted to a ridiculous 2 hours a
> >> week, we have a hige work to do.
> >
> >Failing them gives you more time with those who show motivation and
> >promise.
>
> Don't French schools hold back failed kids a year, until they pass?

To put it in a nutshell (since, as everything pertaining to the French
education system, it is intricate):

Holding back a kid is named "redoublement".

The teachers council, held in June, proposes either "pass" or
"redoublement".

Then the parents come in.

At some grades, they can *force* pass against the advice of the
teachers. Guess why? They always do. They always consider that their
poor kid is treated badly and that he'll skyrocket the next September.
(none of us trust a word of these, but...)

At the other grades, they can appeal. They often win. And the kid
passes, and he has even more problems the year after, and he begins to
misbehave, etc...

Between the 3rd and the 2nd (between junior high school and high school)
it is even more intricate, so unless somebody whines for details... I'll
hold my breath!

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Mxsmanic wrote:

> Why?

Why not?
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Mxsmanic wrote:

> Why not?

Why?
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