WARNPASS: Disruption to airport links

Tony Polson wrote:
> "Shaun M" <shaun.monkman@> wrote:

> >Virgin Trains is accepting airline tickets between Manchester and
> >London today

> It's amazing how generous Virgin Trains can be - until you realise
> that all their costs are generously funded by the taxpayer, courtesy
> of DfT Rail.

And if Virgin had not made this offer, would you have been delighted,
or would you have complained that they should have done so, since it
wouldn't cost them anything?

Ian

In message <1155226395.427987.276290@q16g2000cwq. .com>, at
09:13:15 on Thu, 10 Aug 2006, Ian <ian.groups@> remarked:
>> It's amazing how generous Virgin Trains can be - until you realise
>> that all their costs are generously funded by the taxpayer, courtesy
>> of DfT Rail.
>
>And if Virgin had not made this offer, would you have been delighted,
>or would you have complained that they should have done so, since it
>wouldn't cost them anything?

Although, as was mentioned in here last week, the extra electricity that
Virgin will use transporting these extra passengers isn't particularly
significant.
--
Roland Perry

Credit where it`s due I say.....would Mr Branson himself,God Bless Him,have
had a say in this decision ?

"Alek" <me@privacy.com> wrote in message
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> Credit where it`s due I say.....would Mr Branson himself,God Bless
> Him,have
> had a say in this decision ?
>
Whoever or whatever made them do it, its good to show the railways are the
BACKBONE and not the metatarsal of the country ;-)

Yea just to reiterate my original thought that in an increasingly cynical
world the Virgin Trains decision will have made a REAL difference to at
least some unfortunates who were left hi and dry today.

Once again IF it was a unilateral VT decison then Full Marks VT and even if
it only gaiins them a single repeat journey it should be recognized as some
form of REAL management rather than the usual "Safe" stuff that appears to
be taught in Business Schools everywhere these days.

Tony Polson wrote:

> In this case, *you* are footing the bill, and so am I, and so are all
> the other taxpayers.

But what if the "gamble" resulted in a significant long-term increase
in WCML passengers from air, and thus increased income and decreased
the number of flights being operated domestically? Benefit for the
taxpayer and the environment?

Neil

furnessvale wrote:

> Unless of course you are a regular rail passenger forced to sit on the
> floor because all the seats are occupied by freeloading would be flyers
> who will be back on the aircraft ASAP when the trouble is over because,
> in their mistaken view, it is the "cool" way to travel.

And if they *don't* think that?

Neil

"Philip Hardy" <philip@phardy.karoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> tshanazt@ wrote:
>> Philip Hardy wrote:
>>> They are too far away from London/The ECML is too slow to be practically
>>> competitive with airlines in terms of end to end journey time (which is
>>> important in the business travel market). Virgin's not accepting airline
>>> tickets to Carlisle or Glasgow from Euston are they?
>>
>> West Coast: London to Manchester. Cross Country: Throughout the
>> network.
>
> Yes. Read what I said again. "Carlisle or Glasgow TO EUSTON".
>
> It's harder to compare cross country routes and not particularly relevant
> to your original point since GNER don't operate any.
>
> Philip.

XC Carlisle/Glasgow to Manchester? then change onto the WC for Euston? Or
isn't that what they mean by their rule?

"Neil Williams" <pacer142@> wrote in message
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> Tony Polson wrote:
>
>> In this case, *you* are footing the bill, and so am I, and so are all
>> the other taxpayers.
>
> But what if the "gamble" resulted in a significant long-term increase
> in WCML passengers from air, and thus increased income and decreased
> the number of flights being operated domestically? Benefit for the
> taxpayer and the environment?
>
> Neil
>
Sounds good to me... But would we see an increase or lengthening of WC
services as a result?

In message <1155288265.760810.110780@i42g2000cwa. .com>, at
02:24:25 on Fri, 11 Aug 2006, furnessvale <furnessvale@>
remarked:
>I know that ex air passengers should realise that trains are not
>normally that overcrowded and it is their presence causing it BUT the
>majority will believe it is the norm and dash back to the silver bird
>ASAP.

I think this will depend on whether air passengers are *ever* allowed to
take a laptop (or other electrical items) as hand baggage. It's not just
the hassle, danger of loss and damage etc, but will add half an hour to
each end of the journey.
--
Roland Perry