Your opinion wanted re: new passport requirements effective 1/8/07

In article <9bGFg.4$0a5.2@newsfe09.lga>,
"Tom K" <tkanitra@> wrote:

> "Kurt Ullman" <kurtullmanm> wrote in message
> news:kurtullman-99F3F4.09520119082006@customer-201-125-217-207.uninet.net.mx..
> .
> > In article <2a-dnUkmGKmyiXrZnZ2dnUVZ_rqdnZ2d@insightbb.com>,
> > Odysseus <x@x.x> wrote:
> >
> >> There is one effect which I have never her mentioned. It will allow the
> >> President or his underlings to restrict the foreign travel of Americans.
> >> Since they can, at will, deny somebody a passport or revoke somebody's
> >> passport, they can keep him from leaving the country.
> >
> > You never hear it because it is a bogus argument. The only changes in
> > the passport law is that three areas (Canada, Mexico and Caribbean) now
> > have to use passports to get to.
> >
>
> So we need passports to visit Mexico? But they (Mexicans) don't need
> anything to enter the US Daily by walking across the border?

That is not even remotely true LEGALLY, and you know it. Besides I
am not sure what one has to do with the other.

"Kurt Ullman" <kurtullmanm> wrote in message
news:kurtullman-BCC9F0.11005119082006@customer-201-125-217-207.uninet.net.mx...
> In article <vg9ee2lsscn18lqab19gpp5n88unaejrq8@>,
> Thumper <jaylsmith@> wrote:
>
>
>> Many, many people have not heard of the new requirement. Have you
>> read about it in any newspaper or on any TV news show?
> Yep, but then we have a big travel club in Indy and some of the
> stations covered it at the behest of the travel club. Recently heard
> something from that Travel Editor guy on Today about that when talking
> about cruising in general. I also remember seeing something on CNN,
> although both of those were more in passing than anything they were
> focussing in on.

Not only have I seen it on several TV news reports, but the T/As on this
very newsgroup have repeatedly mentioned it.
Anyone traveling to any foreign destination should have the sense to check
what the requirements are to where ever they are going. It's called common
sense.

--Jean

"Kurt Ullman" <kurtullmanm> wrote in message
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> In article <9bGFg.4$0a5.2@newsfe09.lga>,
> "Tom K" <tkanitra@> wrote:
>
>> "Kurt Ullman" <kurtullmanm> wrote in message
>> news:kurtullman-99F3F4.09520119082006@customer-201-125-217-207.uninet.net.mx..
>> .
>> > In article <2a-dnUkmGKmyiXrZnZ2dnUVZ_rqdnZ2d@insightbb.com>,
>> > Odysseus <x@x.x> wrote:
>> >
>> >> There is one effect which I have never her mentioned. It will allow
>> >> the
>> >> President or his underlings to restrict the foreign travel of
>> >> Americans.
>> >> Since they can, at will, deny somebody a passport or revoke somebody's
>> >> passport, they can keep him from leaving the country.
>> >
>> > You never hear it because it is a bogus argument. The only changes in
>> > the passport law is that three areas (Canada, Mexico and Caribbean) now
>> > have to use passports to get to.
>> >
>>
>> So we need passports to visit Mexico? But they (Mexicans) don't need
>> anything to enter the US Daily by walking across the border?
>
> That is not even remotely true LEGALLY, and you know it. Besides I
> am not sure what one has to do with the other.

Who said anything about legally!

If terrorist want in... they don't need to do it legally!!!!

SIMPLE... if they want in... there's ways to get in.

And making US citizens get passports to visit the Caribbean is NOT going to
stop terrorists from getting it.

It's just busting our chops. Like not letting us take bottles of water on
planes.

--Tom

On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 15:07:12 GMT, Kurt Ullman <kurtullmanm>
wrote:

>In article <gl9ee25t5q6qfifr2cg125m3kviu4co2lo@>,
> Thumper <jaylsmith@> wrote:
>
>>
>> It is really a departure for people driving from The States to the
>> Canadian side of Niagara Falls for instance. If you didn't all ready
>> have a passport and decided to drive up from NYC for example and only
>> do so once every couple of years, how would you know about the
>> different requirements?
>> Thumper
>
> Ignorance of the law is not now, nor ever has been, an excuse to not
>follow it. Under this scenario ANY change in ANY regulation that one
>person with a rare scenario is bad so you wouldn't change anything for
>any reason.


Have you seen anything in newspapers or television about this change.
I read at least 4 papers a day and watch TV constantly (particularly
the news channels) and have heard nothing.
Thumper

On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 15:00:51 GMT, Kurt Ullman <kurtullmanm>
wrote:

>In article <vg9ee2lsscn18lqab19gpp5n88unaejrq8@>,
> Thumper <jaylsmith@> wrote:
>
>
>> Many, many people have not heard of the new requirement. Have you
>> read about it in any newspaper or on any TV news show?
> Yep, but then we have a big travel club in Indy and some of the
>stations covered it at the behest of the travel club. Recently heard
>something from that Travel Editor guy on Today about that when talking
>about cruising in general. I also remember seeing something on CNN,
>although both of those were more in passing than anything they were
>focussing in on.


You understand what I'm saying don't you? This change has simply not
been very well covered. I have been telling everyone about it and
have yet to come across another person that knew about it.
Thumper

On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 16:09:07 GMT, "Jean O'Boyle"
<j.oboyle@removefudged.> wrote:

>
>"Kurt Ullman" <kurtullmanm> wrote in message
>news:kurtullman-BCC9F0.11005119082006@customer-201-125-217-207.uninet.net.mx...
>> In article <vg9ee2lsscn18lqab19gpp5n88unaejrq8@>,
>> Thumper <jaylsmith@> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Many, many people have not heard of the new requirement. Have you
>>> read about it in any newspaper or on any TV news show?
>> Yep, but then we have a big travel club in Indy and some of the
>> stations covered it at the behest of the travel club. Recently heard
>> something from that Travel Editor guy on Today about that when talking
>> about cruising in general. I also remember seeing something on CNN,
>> although both of those were more in passing than anything they were
>> focussing in on.
>
>Not only have I seen it on several TV news reports, but the T/As on this
>very newsgroup have repeatedly mentioned it.
Is this going over your head? People traveling from the USA to These
destinations have been doing so forever without passports. They don't
have the expectation that this has changed.

>Anyone traveling to any foreign destination should have the sense to check
>what the requirements are to where ever they are going. It's called common
>sense.
>
Nonsense.
>--Jean
>

"Thumper" <jaylsmith@> wrote in message
news:gepee2lg2l26epol9hpld1k7d3129s8gf0@...

> Looks to me like it's your knee that's jerking.
> Thumper

From your posts, it looks to me as if you enjoy stirring the pot.
--Jean

Answered Inline:
"Thumper" <jaylsmith@> wrote in message
news:j6pee2pmq29pjam56a59oe8uho6l48euj5@...
> On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 16:09:07 GMT, "Jean O'Boyle"
> <j.oboyle@removefudged.> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Kurt Ullman" <kurtullmanm> wrote in message
>>news:kurtullman-BCC9F0.11005119082006@customer-201-125-217-207.uninet.net.mx...
>>> In article <vg9ee2lsscn18lqab19gpp5n88unaejrq8@>,
>>> Thumper <jaylsmith@> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Many, many people have not heard of the new requirement. Have you
>>>> read about it in any newspaper or on any TV news show?
>>> Yep, but then we have a big travel club in Indy and some of the
>>> stations covered it at the behest of the travel club. Recently heard
>>> something from that Travel Editor guy on Today about that when talking
>>> about cruising in general. I also remember seeing something on CNN,
>>> although both of those were more in passing than anything they were
>>> focussing in on.
>>

>>Not only have I seen it on several TV news reports, but the T/As on this
>>very newsgroup have repeatedly mentioned it.



> Is this going over your head? People traveling from the USA to These
> destinations have been doing so forever without passports. They don't
> have the expectation that this has changed.

Nope, it's going over your head! Anyone who travels should be more informed
by doing some research about where they are going and the requirements to go
there. The news media have covered it many times as well as the T/As that
post here. I think those T/As who do not post here, surely have told their
clients of the new regulations or they would be doing them a serious
disservice

>>Anyone traveling to any foreign destination should have the sense to check
>>what the requirements are to where ever they are going. It's called common
>>sense.
>>
> Nonsense.

Only with your tunnel vision way of thinking...You seem to resent any laws
or restrictions..Even if they were for your own good.
I don't intend to communicate with you any further on this..It's like
talking to a brick wall..
Bye!
--Jean

On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 19:57:07 GMT, "Jean O'Boyle"
<j.oboyle@removefudged.> wrote:

>Answered Inline:
>"Thumper" <jaylsmith@> wrote in message
>news:j6pee2pmq29pjam56a59oe8uho6l48euj5@.. .
>> On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 16:09:07 GMT, "Jean O'Boyle"
>> <j.oboyle@removefudged.> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Kurt Ullman" <kurtullmanm> wrote in message
>>>news:kurtullman-BCC9F0.11005119082006@customer-201-125-217-207.uninet.net.mx...
>>>> In article <vg9ee2lsscn18lqab19gpp5n88unaejrq8@>,
>>>> Thumper <jaylsmith@> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Many, many people have not heard of the new requirement. Have you
>>>>> read about it in any newspaper or on any TV news show?
>>>> Yep, but then we have a big travel club in Indy and some of the
>>>> stations covered it at the behest of the travel club. Recently heard
>>>> something from that Travel Editor guy on Today about that when talking
>>>> about cruising in general. I also remember seeing something on CNN,
>>>> although both of those were more in passing than anything they were
>>>> focussing in on.
>>>
>
>>>Not only have I seen it on several TV news reports, but the T/As on this
>>>very newsgroup have repeatedly mentioned it.
>
>
>
>> Is this going over your head? People traveling from the USA to These
>> destinations have been doing so forever without passports. They don't
>> have the expectation that this has changed.
>
>Nope, it's going over your head! Anyone who travels should be more informed
>by doing some research about where they are going and the requirements to go
>there. The news media have covered it many times as well as the T/As that
>post here. I think those T/As who do not post here, surely have told their
>clients of the new regulations or they would be doing them a serious
>disservice
>

You don't use a T/A to drive to Niagara Falls.
Thumper
>>>Anyone traveling to any foreign destination should have the sense to check
>>>what the requirements are to where ever they are going. It's called common
>>>sense.
>>>
>> Nonsense.
>
>Only with your tunnel vision way of thinking...You seem to resent any laws
>or restrictions..Even if they were for your own good.
>I don't intend to communicate with you any further on this..It's like
>talking to a brick wall..
>Bye!
>--Jean
>
>

If they can forge driver's license's, etc,they will have no qualms about
forging a pass port. I doubt if we will ever be able to
keep out the unwanted.

<
cruise lover>