Bonaire by Cruise

Skeptic wrote:
> "Popeye" <Popeye@Finalprotectivefire.com> wrote in message
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>
>>
>>"Skeptic" <bcs002bm> wrote in message
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>>
>>>"Jer" <gdunn@airmail.ten> wrote in message
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>>>
>>>>ginmill01 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>One last comment about the gloves. This is drectly from the Bonaire
>>>>>Marine Park.
>>>>>
>>>>>Last but not least is that local law under supervision of the Bonaire
>>>>>Marine Park protects the reefs. Anything in the water from 0-200 feet
>>>>>is protected. Spear fishing, anchoring, diving with gloves, contact
>>>>>with the reef. is prohibited.
>>>>
>>>>What diving with gloves has to do with any of that other stuff is beyond
>>>>me, because none of that other stuff has anything to do with why I wear
>>>>gloves.
>>>
>>>Diving with gloves has the same effect as anchoring - it tends to lead to
>>>the death of coral and thus destruction of the reef. If you can't dive
>>>without putting your paw prints all over the sea life, then you really
>>>need to learn how to dive.
>>
>> If diving with gloves has anything to do with that, you need to take up
>>stamp collecting.
>
>
> Reef preservation seems to be a foreign concept to you. There is no
> anchoring in Bonaire, no removing sea life, no man handling coral, etc. -
> and these are some of the reasons why Bonaire year after year is considered
> a divers' paradise. This is why it will continue to be such for generations
> to come. Coral are an animal species and very easily killed. Settling too
> much sand on them can kill some species. When divers wear gloves - and in
> the Netherlands Antilles where the water temp is around 80 this is almost
> always by inexperienced divers - it creates a situation where divers are
> more apt to touch. With gloves on, more things get touched and usually much
> more forcefully. These are facts and the very facts that led Bonaire to
> outlaw gloves.
>
> If it bothers you, don't dive there. You won't be missed.
>
>


Whoosh!

--
jer
email reply - I am not a 'ten'

"Skeptic" <bcs002bm> wrote in message
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> Reef preservation seems to be a foreign concept to you. There is no
> anchoring in Bonaire, no removing sea life, no man handling coral, etc. -
> and these are some of the reasons why Bonaire year after year is
considered
> a divers' paradise. This is why it will continue to be such for
generations
> to come. Coral are an animal species and very easily killed. Settling
too
> much sand on them can kill some species. When divers wear gloves - and in
> the Netherlands Antilles where the water temp is around 80 this is almost
> always by inexperienced divers - it creates a situation where divers are
> more apt to touch. With gloves on, more things get touched and usually
much
> more forcefully. These are facts and the very facts that led Bonaire to
> outlaw gloves.

> If it bothers you, don't dive there. You won't be missed.

<getting popcorn and a large coke>

Man, you must be like the Amazing Kreskin.

In article <CIpfg.999438$xm3.633823@attbi_s21>, Skeptic
<bcs002bm> wrote:

€ "Popeye" <Popeye@Finalprotectivefire.com> wrote in message
€ news:127rvh8kpe71c89@news.supernews.com...

€ >> Diving with gloves has the same effect as anchoring - it tends to lead to
€ >> the death of coral and thus destruction of the reef. If you can't dive
€ >> without putting your paw prints all over the sea life, then you really
€ >> need to learn how to dive.
€ >
€ > If diving with gloves has anything to do with that, you need to take up
€ > stamp collecting.
€
€ Reef preservation seems to be a foreign concept to you. There is no
€ anchoring in Bonaire, no removing sea life, no man handling coral, etc. -
€ and these are some of the reasons why Bonaire year after year is considered
€ a divers' paradise. This is why it will continue to be such for generations
€ to come. Coral are an animal species and very easily killed. Settling too
€ much sand on them can kill some species. When divers wear gloves - and in
€ the Netherlands Antilles where the water temp is around 80 this is almost
€ always by inexperienced divers - it creates a situation where divers are
€ more apt to touch. With gloves on, more things get touched and usually much
€ more forcefully. These are facts and the very facts that led Bonaire to
€ outlaw gloves.
€
€ If it bothers you, don't dive there. You won't be missed.
€
€

You really have no idea what you're talking about. Do you honestly
think gloves are the cause of reef damage?

"Skeptic" <bcs002bm> wrote in message
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>
> "Popeye" <Popeye@Finalprotectivefire.com> wrote in message
> news:127rvh8kpe71c89@news.supernews.com...
> >
> >
> > "Skeptic" <bcs002bm> wrote in message
> > news:1Vlfg.11237$1i1.6024@attbi_s72...
> >>
> >> "Jer" <gdunn@airmail.ten> wrote in message
> >> news:127q21qn08d4359@corp.supernews.com...
> >>> ginmill01 wrote:
> >>>> One last comment about the gloves. This is drectly from the Bonaire
> >>>> Marine Park.
> >>>>
> >>>> Last but not least is that local law under supervision of the Bonaire
> >>>> Marine Park protects the reefs. Anything in the water from 0-200 feet
> >>>> is protected. Spear fishing, anchoring, diving with gloves, contact
> >>>> with the reef. is prohibited.
> >>>
> >>> What diving with gloves has to do with any of that other stuff is
beyond
> >>> me, because none of that other stuff has anything to do with why I
wear
> >>> gloves.
> >>
> >> Diving with gloves has the same effect as anchoring - it tends to lead
to
> >> the death of coral and thus destruction of the reef. If you can't dive
> >> without putting your paw prints all over the sea life, then you really
> >> need to learn how to dive.
> >
> > If diving with gloves has anything to do with that, you need to take up
> > stamp collecting.
>
> Reef preservation seems to be a foreign concept to you. There is no
> anchoring in Bonaire, no removing sea life, no man handling coral, etc. -
> and these are some of the reasons why Bonaire year after year is
considered
> a divers' paradise. This is why it will continue to be such for
generations
> to come. Coral are an animal species and very easily killed. Settling
too
> much sand on them can kill some species. When divers wear gloves - and in
> the Netherlands Antilles where the water temp is around 80 this is almost
> always by inexperienced divers - it creates a situation where divers are
> more apt to touch. With gloves on, more things get touched and usually
much
> more forcefully. These are facts and the very facts that led Bonaire to
> outlaw gloves.

Ahh....so guns are not the only inanimate object that causes people to do
bad things - apparently gloves do as well.

>
> If it bothers you, don't dive there. You won't be missed.
>
>

Dennis

In article <SVrfg.999582$xm3.882937@attbi_s21>, Skeptic
<bcs002bm> wrote:


€ > ?
€ > ?
€ > You really have no idea what you're talking about. Do you honestly
€ > think gloves are the cause of reef damage?
€
€ There are many causes. Gloves when diving is one of them. That is the
€ entire basis for their being banned in Bonaire.
€
€

Gloves have nothing to do with the problem. Start thinking about the
root cause, not about the symptoms.

The ban on Bonaire is based on ignorance, not logic. By your postings,
you're part of the ignorance.

"Scott" <pugetsounddiver@> wrote in message
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> "Skeptic" <bcs002bm> wrote in message
> news:SVrfg.999582$xm3.882937@attbi_s21...
>
>> There are many causes. Gloves when diving is one of them. That is the
>> entire basis for their being banned in Bonaire.
>
> Wow.
>
> Everyone up here wears gloves because of the water temperature.
>
> Our reefs are fine.

I don't know where "here" is and I'm happy to hear you think your reef is
"fine". By Bonairian standards it is probably damaged.

"Greg Mossman" <mossman@qnet.com> wrote in message
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> "They"? Tell me who they are and I'll shoot them.
>
> I am the NRA.

Start with the Senate, and then finish up at the House.

But dont take it personal, they think we are all stupid.

"Chris Guynn" <chris.guynn@> wrote in message
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>
<snip>
> >
> > Ok, here's what we can do:
> > a) All divers will be gloveless & finless. They'll have minimal
weighting
> to
> > insure that they're psotively bouyant. Professional divemasters can tow
> the
> > customers to within 20 ft of each reef.
> > b) Adoption of a "no hurricane" policy to prevent further damage.
> > c) Adoption of a "no toilet" policy - all port-a-potties, with the
> contents
> > shipped elsewhere.
>
> N.I.M.B.Y.
>
>

Illustrating absurdity by......

Dennis

"Skeptic" wrote

>> poor divers damage coral.

> which is lessened if you take away their gloves making it less likely
> they'll touch things and maybe learn how to get neutral rather than push
> off from coral head to coral head.

Why not ban all fins. They touch coral much more often than gloves. While
you're at it, ban all divers. No divers, no coral touching. 100% effective
and free.

Don't be foolish. Diver's equipment does not damage coral. Fins, knives,
gloves, alternates and gauges are all safety related dive items. You don't
ban safety items because some divers fail to use them responsibly. You
teach divers to be responsible.

"Skeptic" wrote

> You're less likely to grab the coral with your bare hands . . .

The only reason I would grab coral is because I need to for reasons that
over ride the interest of the coral I grab. When that happens, I'm going to
grab the coral, gloves or no gloves.

> and yes, virtually everyone in the southern caribbean who have worn or
> thought about wearing dive gloves for routine dives had fewer than a few
> dozen dives under their belts.

Pure, unadulterated and completely unsupported .

Lee