Cruise vs. All-Inclusive

Cathy Kearns wrote:

> "Sue and Kevin Mullen" <kjmullen@> wrote in message
> news:4_GdnZVe4vQwNqDfRVn-gQ@...
>
>>We stayed at the Iberostar Tucan which is in the Mayan Riviera, near
>>Cancun. For a 7 night stay we were guarented 2 dinners in the
>>"reservation only restaurants", other then those 2 meals all meals
>>were buffet style. The buffet and some of the resevation only
>>restaurants were open air restaurants, so if it was hot, windy, cool
>>etc you felt it all. On a cruise ship you have dining rooms that are
>>climate controlled and you get waited on every night. For breakfast
>>and lunch you can choose a buffet or a dininng room with full service,
>>but it is your choice.
>
>
> Interesting what people consider pluses. One of the things I don't like
> about cruises is that most meals are served indoors, and the climate control
> isn't to my liking (too cold). I much prefer eating in the fresh air. I
> always wondered why cruise ships offer so few outdoor dining options, as
> they often cruise in areas where the weather is wonderful. It's probably
> because their prime customers are like Sue and Kevin, and they prefer the
> indoor dining. Got to give the cruise lines points for catering to their
> clientele.

It would be nice if cruise ships gave you the option to dine outside,
as long as you had a choice. At the AI we were at, there wasn't a
choice and the weather was unusually cool and windy.

sue

Jim wrote:
> Why in the world should he be ashamed of this post? It is very
interesting
> to see how they are trying to compare even though I disagree with
their
> figures and the way they look at it. It sure is a lot more
interesting than
> reading projected financial reports or other dry mundane backroom
> information that one poster puts out as a press release. <G> Also,
note the
> lack of advertising by George.
> Jim
>
>

Lack of advertising ..??? Geesh ...

What he posted in a cruise newsgroup was a shill advertising for all
inclusives ... A SHILL ADVERTISEMENT.... what does that make him then
.... Informative ... BULL ...

In article <g4CdnYwfuovBXKDfRVn-2Q@>, Sue and Kevin Mullen
<kjmullen@> wrote:

> It would be nice if cruise ships gave you the option to dine outside,
> as long as you had a choice. At the AI we were at, there wasn't a
> choice and the weather was unusually cool and windy.

A number of ships have outside dining areas on the lido deck.

--
Charles

Charles wrote:
> In article <Xhi%d.1489$yq2.400@newssvr12.news.>, Jean
> O'Boyle <j.oboyle@removefudged.> wrote:
>
> > He needs a smiley face then! ;-)
>
> I agree. That is why I say "perhaps". I am not sure. But I think it
> was, that is the only way it makes sense.
>
> --
> Charles

It was not tongue in cheek ... the so called news article he posted has
been around a lot ... It is a SHILL advertisement with an agenda ...
Promoting all inclusives ...by bringing cruises down ... His posting it
in a cruise newsgroup is just as bad as the nutcases who also post here
dissing cruising ...
Some of you know the guy ... and book with him ... I don't ...

"George Leppla" <george@cruisemaster.com> wrote in message
news:-PadnTJzoZMxCKDfRVn-rw@...
> For years the cruise industry has been selling the idea that a cruise is a
> better vacation value than an all-inclusive vacation. Now the
> all-inclusives are fight back. With cruise fares climbing steadily and
many
> cruisers suffering "sticker shock", the all-inclusives are making a play
to
> prove that their product can be a better value.
>
>
My family took a few days off last week and spent most of our time in one of
the most beautiful and comfortable resort ever: Estero Beach Resort, just
south of Ensenada. In thinking of a future family reunion we ran the numbers
as to cost at a resort or at sea. My wife and I slept in a luxury suite for
the discounted 'walk-in' rate at $80, we took our own bottles and some
munchies but the diner, a fabulous house special of assorted Mexican foods
was $10 per person and more than we could eat. So the next day seven of us
sat at the table and ordered for five. So that's about $50 per day per
person. The best deal you can get on a cruise is about $100/day per person
and includes food but not much else. So cruise ships are twice the price of
a well thought out resort package.

I think the resort business will be making "come here" signs all over the
place and even the time shares will be offering better deals as they see
cruise ships begin the gouging process which comes from too much success.

In article <1111344669.686008.315850@l41g2000cwc. .com>,
number6 <snumber6@> wrote:

> It was not tongue in cheek ... the so called news article he posted has
> been around a lot ... It is a SHILL advertisement with an agenda ...
> Promoting all inclusives ...by bringing cruises down ... His posting it
> in a cruise newsgroup is just as bad as the nutcases who also post here
> dissing cruising ...
> Some of you know the guy ... and book with him ... I don't ...


I don't book with him but the guy is a cruise specialist. So much so
that all though I don't know for sure I doubt he even sells all
inclusives. I don't think he would be promoting all inclusives over
cruises.

--
Charles

Jean O'Boyle wrote:
> "number6" <snumber6@> wrote in message
> news:1111334483.686450.136950@l41g2000cwc. o...
> >
> > George Leppla wrote:
> >
> > something he should be ashamed of ...
>
> Why? I don't see anything that he should be ashamed of..it has to do
with
> cruising as opposed to all-inclusives.
>
> --Jean.

IT is a shill advertising for an all inclusive ...

Funny ... click on the link ... and although the headline says cruise
in 04 or 05 and stay free ... the HTML page title still is cruise in 02
or 03 and stay free ... shows you he's just shilling for them ...
He should indeed be ashamed ...

If anyone thinks this was just information to evaluate all inclusives
.... you are as gullible as a Florida swamp owner ...

number6 wrote:

> Jim wrote:
>
>>Why in the world should he be ashamed of this post? It is very
>
> interesting
>
>>to see how they are trying to compare even though I disagree with
>
> their
>
>>figures and the way they look at it. It sure is a lot more
>
> interesting than
>
>>reading projected financial reports or other dry mundane backroom
>>information that one poster puts out as a press release. <G> Also,
>
> note the
>
>>lack of advertising by George.
>>Jim
>>
>>
>
>
> Lack of advertising ..??? Geesh ...
>
> What he posted in a cruise newsgroup was a shill advertising for all
> inclusives ... A SHILL ADVERTISEMENT.... what does that make him then
> ... Informative ... BULL ...

Yeah, but George only sells cruises! Take a look at his website, do
you see anything there other then cruises??

I think the comparison between a cruise and an all-inclusive vacation
is intersting.

sue

number6
The written word and the spoken word many times appears to be something
which is not. Where one can look at it "this" way and one look at it
"that" way
it can mean many things to many people.
I see it as George imparting good information and you see it entirely
different.
Thats your perogative as is mine.

S'nd I
XXX

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My first AI experiences had been while I was still married and they were to
a Club Med. Even diving was included and that was why we were there, ex
wanted to dive. Of course it meant that he was out of the village all day,
so it was just like separate vacations. We just had breakfast and dinner
together. I don't know if it's still that way, but CM would seat people as
they arrived into the dining room, putting you with people who spoke the
same language. Pretty effective and was what I "expected" from other AI
resorts.

Since then I've been to a few others. Super Clubs had a buffet or sit down
at dinner (buffet for other meals). I preferred the sit down, but that was
by reservation and was something that one needed to arranged their own
companions for (fortunately for me, I did meet up with people that trip). I
have a friend who goes to that same resort who would never consider the
restaurant, he wants to just have to pull on shorts and graze at the pool.

While I prefer "dining", what I REALLY care about is companionship, lack of
such is a deal breaker for me.

I am aware that some excursions aren't included at some AI resorts... I've
never done anything that wasn't. That includes Dunn's River Falls (two
different resorts, years apart), horseback riding, horse drawn carriage... I
don't remember what else. But it just occurred to me that all of those were
in Jamaica and that my less happy experiences were in MX, Playa del Carmen
to be exact. To it may depend on "where" as well as "who".

Marsha

"Sue and Kevin Mullen" <kjmullen@> wrote in message
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>
>
> Marsha L wrote:
>
>> I think a lot of what one's preference winds up being has to do with what
>> one did "first".
>
> I don't think it is so much what you did first, it is more a matter of
> what you like to do on a vacation. If this all-inclusive had been the
> first trip for us and we hadn't been with friends, I would of been very
> bored.
>
>> I had been to a few AI resorts before I went on a cruise. I was SHOCKED
>> to find out how much excursions cost because they had always been
>> included!
>
> I guess it depends on the AI and what type of excursions you take. Where
> we were there were a lot of water sports included, but no excursions. We
> took a tour to Chichen Itza, but we had to pay for that.
>
>> What was (and what is why I haven't been to an AI since) is that there
>> was assigned seating, and I was expected to dine at what was intended to
>> be a table for two, alone. That is NOT a vacation to me! So.... I've been
>> cruising ever since.
>
> Where we were you were able to sit where ever you wanted, there was no
> assigned seats. Just proves how different one AI is from another.
>
> sue