Hiati

[Nanzi]

On Jan 14, 3:13*pm, "Jean O'Boyle" <job1...**********m> wrote:
> "Clint" <boca...@***********m> wrote in message
>
> news:948d4340-be08-4f91-b2ae-e45a837be09a@p8g2000yqb.************.com...
> On Jan 13, 4:58 pm, "Jean O'Boyle" <job1...**********m> wrote:
>
> > "Clint" <boca...@***********m> wrote in message
>
> >news:15c01286-a143-450d-b2a3-810d40fd12a9@u7g2000yqm.************.com...
>
> > > Will that little island off of Hati still be available for criuse
> > > ships?
>
> > NOT funny, Clint...
> > What happened and is going on there is nothing to joke about...the poorest
> > country on earth and then to have such a horrible and devastating disaster
> > happen is extremely sad.
>
> You are right, didn't mean to be funny....it's a terrible tragedy!
>
> Thank you for letting us see the good side of you...I'm sure you probably
> wished you had not sent it right after you hit "send."
>
> --Jean

The good side is that the ships have resumed visits, and are coming
laden with supplies. Their reasoning, and coroborated by Haitian govt
was that the business for Labadee was helping the vendors and kiosk
owners to remain stable. See Ray **********s blurbs from NCL who has
had a 30 year relationship with Haiti. Here's hoping the rest of the
lines follow suit and fill every availible space with needed
supplies.No affiliation with any cruise line, altho we are going on
our first cruise(Carnival) in March.Nan

[Kurt Ullman]

In article <4b5901c1$0$5008$607ed4bc@cv.net>,
"Tom K" <tkanitra@**************> wrote:

> Yes... and they get FREE medical from the federal govt. for life. And the
> insurance companies are paying them a lot of money to kill the concept.
They get free medical care from Government hospitals (like VA,
Bethesda Navy Hospital). The regular government employees get a plain
vanilla group policy from an insurance company that is so cheap largely
because the government doesn't have to worry about money so they can pay
a much larger part of the larger premium related to really nice
policies. It ain't some conspiracy, it is just a REALLY big group and a
REALLY big employer subsidy.


> They simply don't care about any Americans who might need healthcare, even
> their own constituents. It's all about money and not letting any healthcare
> plan succeed. They did a great job of poisoning people minds against the
> plan... but the minds they poisoned are those who DO have healthcare, like
> the seniors with Medicare. The millions of us who are under 65 and have no
> jobs... they simply don't care about us what so ever.

Yeah the government-run program (as I mentioned the employees plan is
NOT government run) is going bankrupt, has so many holes in coverage
that many people buy supplemental insurance from private insurance
programs such as AARP, and pays so little that more and more physicians
are refusing to treat Mcare patients. Whats not to love?

--
To find that place where the rats don't race
and the phones don't ring at all.
If once, you've slept on an island.
Scott Kirby "If once you've slept on an island"

[Tom K]

"Kurt Ullman" <kurtullman**********m> wrote in message
news:jLGdneS6-NMbNcTWnZ2dnUVZ_uadnZ2d@earthlink.com...
>
> Yeah the government-run program (as I mentioned the employees plan is
> NOT government run) is going bankrupt, has so many holes in coverage
> that many people buy supplemental insurance from private insurance
> programs such as AARP, and pays so little that more and more physicians
> are refusing to treat Mcare patients. Whats not to love?
>

What's not to love? Not having ANY medical insurance because you're not
working, can't afford it, etc.

A govt. run program with a few holes sure beats having nothing.

[Kurt Ullman]

In article <4b59acb5$0$4991$607ed4bc@cv.net>,
"Tom K" <tkanitra@**************> wrote:

> "Kurt Ullman" <kurtullman**********m> wrote in message
> news:jLGdneS6-NMbNcTWnZ2dnUVZ_uadnZ2d@earthlink.com...
> >
> > Yeah the government-run program (as I mentioned the employees plan is
> > NOT government run) is going bankrupt, has so many holes in coverage
> > that many people buy supplemental insurance from private insurance
> > programs such as AARP, and pays so little that more and more physicians
> > are refusing to treat Mcare patients. Whats not to love?
> >
>
> What's not to love? Not having ANY medical insurance because you're not
> working, can't afford it, etc.
>
> A govt. run program with a few holes sure beats having nothing.

Unless of course you can't get a doc to talk to you. This is an
ongoing problem with MCare where for the last 30+ years which has gotten
worse.
The idea that a govenment run program is suddenly gonna bring up
Healthcare Nirvana is not supported by experience in the US (or for that
manner the rest of the world).
Even the CBO said that both plans before Congress would leave a
minimum of 24 and 18 million people w/o healthcare. And that was,
according to my cursory reading of the report, assuming that the
increased coverage requirements and taxes on drugs, devices, etc., was
not passed on to consumers. There is a whole line of studies showing
that for every y dollars of new required coverage,x people lose their
insurance. Congress was attempting to repeal laws of economics.

--
To find that place where the rats don't race
and the phones don't ring at all.
If once, you've slept on an island.
Scott Kirby "If once you've slept on an island"

[Tom K]

"Kurt Ullman" <kurtullman**********m> wrote in message
news:A-ydnStnheAKM8TWnZ2dnUVZ_oydnZ2d@earthlink.com...
> Even the CBO said that both plans before Congress would leave a
> minimum of 24 and 18 million people w/o healthcare.

How many are without healthcare now?

[MAS]

On 1/22/2010 9:34 PM, Bill wrote:
> On 1/22/2010 6:11 PM, Briggsie wrote:
>> Do you think you're going to get a doctor to talk to you when you have
>> NO insurance?
>
> They go to the emergency room and the rest of us pay for it.
>
> Bill

Get real. A lot of people on Medicaid (welfare) come to our emergency
room regularly because they think it's their own personal service.
Their attitude is "why should I wait for a doctor to take care of my
runny nose, drug addiction, blah blah blah, when I can get one
immediately?" When you get rid of people abusing the system just
because they can, then get rid of illegals bleeding the system dry, then
do some tort reform, and add in some personal responsibility for health
on the part of patients, maybe our system won't be broke.

Marsha

[Tom K]

"Surfer E2468" <pocomount@**********> wrote in message
news:17356-4B5B6B07-5299@storefull-3172.bay.**********...
> YES tom,seniors get medicare,but they have to pay for it and I am a
> senior and only get $400.00 a month after they take out almost $200.00
> for MEDICARE,that is not free health care,and we must still have other
> health insurance to cover other medical emergencies,which is not cheap.
> Do not count your chickens bfore they are hatched,someday you will be on
> medicare and then see if you still crow

Retirement medical from my company is close to $10,000 a year. Your $200 a
month doesn't look to bad. And if you got cut from my company and didn't
qualify for retiree medical, you'd be closer to $20,000 a year with COBRA.
That makes your $200 look even better.

In the old days, people worked and had medical coverage till they went on
Medicare at 65. Now most people don't have a job past age 50. We need a
system in place to bridge those gaps without putting people in financial
ruin.

I'll take your $200 a month IN A HEART BEET.

[Kurt Ullman]

In article <17356-4B5C2C27-5788@storefull-3172.bay.**********>,
JeffGersten@********** (Jeff Gersten) wrote:

> mas@bbbb.net (MAS) wrote:
>
> >Everyone gets the same level of healthcare,
> >including government officials, with no
> >preferential treatment? Long waiting periods
> >are one of the problems, according to a few
> >people we talked to. We're close to the
> >Canadian border, and quite a few come here
> >for treatment they either couldn't get at home
> >or couldn't get within a reasonable amount of
> >time.
>
> >Marsha
>
> Are you implying that there is no waiting time in the USA?
>
> I had cataract surgery last year. My optometrist gave me a referral, and
> I called the office of the cataract surgeon. There was a 3 month wait to
> get an appointment to be seen and evaluated. And the last time I was
> there, I overheard the receptionist on the phone, and the waiting time
> is even lomger now. And this was not in some foreign land, unless you
> count NY state as a foreign country.

Life threatening that.
The best comparison I have seen recently was Robert Blendon's in Health
Affairs where he describes an international survey of hospital
administrators in Australia, New Zealand, Great Britain, the U.S. and
Canada. When asked for the average waiting time for biopsy of a possible
breast cancer in a 50-year-old woman, 21 percent of administrators of
Canadian hospitals said more than three weeks; only 1 percent of
American hospital administrators gave the same answer.
Fifty percent of the Canadian hospital administrators said the average
waiting time for a 65-year-old man who requires a routine hip
replacement was more than six months; in contrast, not one American
hospital administrator reported waiting periods that long. Eighty-six
percent of American hospital administrators said the average waiting
time was shorter than three weeks; only 3 percent of Canadian hospital
administrators said their patients have this brief a wait.

--
To find that place where the rats don't race
and the phones don't ring at all.
If once, you've slept on an island.
Scott Kirby "If once you've slept on an island"

[Becca]

Jeff Gersten wrote:
> Are you implying that there is no waiting time in the USA?
>
> I had cataract surgery last year. My optometrist gave me a referral, and
> I called the office of the cataract surgeon. There was a 3 month wait to
> get an appointment to be seen and evaluated. And the last time I was
> there, I overheard the receptionist on the phone, and the waiting time
> is even lomger now. And this was not in some foreign land, unless you
> count NY state as a foreign country.

Jeff, I had to wait 4 months to have my teeth cleaned, I couldn't
believe it, I thought she was joking. Needless to say, I have to
change dentists. I had my teeth cleaned in a border town in Mexico, the
dentist went to school in Michigan.

Becca

[MAS]

On 1/24/2010 1:01 PM, Stu wrote:
> X-No-Archive: yes On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 09:03:32 -0500, MAS
> <mas@bbbb.net> wrote:
>> Can you think of any reason why people would come to the U.S. and pay
>> out of pocket to have surgery if they weren't telling the truth? When
>> we asked two guides about healthcare on our trip to Nova Scotia, they
>> were very careful about how they phrased their answers, but did admit
>> there were problems with having to wait so long. We know of a doctor's
>> office that simply stops doing surgery and closes when they run out of
>> their alotted money for the year. I'm not saying your healthcare system
>> is bad, but it's disingenuous to claim it is superior to ours. Both
>> have problems.
>>
>> Marsha
>
> That doctor must be in the US, because that would never happen in
> Canada.

Nope, he's in Toronto.

Marsha