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Old 17th June 2007, 12:34 AM   #1 (permalink)
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hello,

Few weeks away from opening a cafe'. Expecting to sell roughly 200
beverages per day. One distributor suggested buying two one group
machines instead of one two group machine. If the two group machine
needs service, we could loose 24 hrs worth of business, or more if a
rare part is needed. If a one group maching goes down, then we would
have at least one machine to get us through until the second machine
is serviced. Also, we expect to do a couple catering events or local
festivals in the off-season(we are a beachfront cafe) and the one
group machines run generally on 110 volts, rendering them better for
traveling, because not every destination will
have a 220 volt line available.
Another distributor suggested that using one two group machine is
preferrable, because the
two group machines carry larger boilers, and thus have a shorter
"recovery" time. I believe that both of these distributors are simply
pushing me in the direction of the company's that they deal with.
My question: Can't a one group machine make just as good espress as a
two group machine?
And, if two one group machines are used, can't we just alternate from
one espresso machine to the other in order to combat the longer
recovery time for the one group machines?
I am a coffee novice...so please be gentle.

Thanks
fabian

 
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Old 17th June 2007, 01:40 PM   #2 (permalink)
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On Jun 17, 12:34 am, smileys...@ wrote:
> hello,
>
> Few weeks away from opening a cafe'. Expecting to sell roughly 200
> beverages per day. One distributor suggested buying two one group
> machines instead of one two group machine. If the two group machine
> needs service, we could loose 24 hrs worth of business, or more if a
> rare part is needed. If a one group maching goes down, then we would
> have at least one machine to get us through until the second machine
> is serviced. Also, we expect to do a couple catering events or local
> festivals in the off-season(we are a beachfront cafe) and the one
> group machines run generally on 110 volts, rendering them better for
> traveling, because not every destination will
> have a 220 volt line available.
> Another distributor suggested that using one two group machine is
> preferrable, because the
> two group machines carry larger boilers, and thus have a shorter
> "recovery" time. I believe that both of these distributors are simply
> pushing me in the direction of the company's that they deal with.
> My question: Can't a one group machine make just as good espress as a
> two group machine?
> And, if two one group machines are used, can't we just alternate from
> one espresso machine to the other in order to combat the longer
> recovery time for the one group machines?
> I am a coffee novice...so please be gentle.
>
> Thanks
> fabian


Sounds like you're already leaning towards one-group machines. Plus,
you may be having to learn it by the "bootstraps" - invention is the
mother of necessity.

A small 110V Gaggia single boiler will take care of the turn around
aspect. They've two heater elements and probably draw enough to trip
the fuses if you're running several from a wiring leg. Two elements,
oth, means there's effectively no waiting.

Not commercial, bump it too hard, it breaks;- walk away, forget to
turn it off, it burns up or melts down, whichever comes first. But
then they're likely cheaper by the dozen. Suitable machine for
"getting your feet wet". Easy in. . . You won't be sweating bullets
if you can manage a couple dozen acceptable $6 pulls -- Ah, yes, such
a balmy night after a dreadfully dreary a day, positively scorching.
I say, what a jolly refresher this is, at last;- a spot of the ol'
Gulf breeze is top notch. Oh, and waiter - please don't forget to
make that a lungo;- an Harrar or aged Java will do nicely. Yes,
yes. . .do carry on, my good fellow.

Hiring any entertainment, stand-up acts, dancing comedians?

 
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Old 18th June 2007, 09:15 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Coming from the restaurant trade, in our place a one group struggled
to keep up. i can't imagine two single groups keeping up in a cafe.
Search in this forum for sources of in formation on opening a new cafe
and on training. There are a lot of books dvds etc that will help you
get started. Consider joining the SCAA, one final point the service
that the supplier provides is as important as the machine they sell.
Good Luck.

 
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The correct answer is:

get a 2-group 220v machine for the shop, and get a 1-group 110v
machine as catering/backup.

I'm also a bit concerned about your declaration of being a coffee
novice at the same time you're moments away from opening a coffee
shop....

--barry "not my money, though"
 
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