How to dress in B.A.?

I am going to Buenos Aires in November for 2 weeks with my 14 year old
daughter. We lived there in 1997, and are going back to visit her school
mates, and to see everything again. We will be staying in Palermo and
maybe in Recoleta.

When I lived there, I know I dressed so that I didn't stick out like a
sore thumb. But after 6 years of being back in the states, I've forgotten
how to dress. Do women go out in blue jeans at all? Dressier shorts?
I'd like to minimize looking like a tourist as much as I can, but I also
don't want to pack a ton of clothes.

Is it still fairly safe in the city at night (we used to walk around our
neighborhood, Palermo, after dark, even with the kids, although we always
avoided parks)? How about taxis? Can we take a taxi in the city, or should
I be pretty careful about them? (We will be riding the subway, but there
could be times I will want to take a taxi, too). I'd like to take her
to go see a Tango Show, and I recall getting out late from the ones we
would go see.

We both speak spanish, but I'm sure our American accent will be strong now.

Also, any ideas on some gifts to bring for 8th graders, and parents? (We
used to bring Barbies & other toys in from the states for birthday gifts,
but I don't think that will work anymore 8^)

Thanks!
--
Elizabeth Zaenger, Unix Support
Departmental Computing Organization
University of Michigan, Electrical Engineering and Computer Science Dept.

In article <watd6dohjux.fsf@che.eecs.umich.edu>,
Elizabeth Zaenger <liz@eecs.umich.edu> wrote:

> I am going to Buenos Aires in November for 2 weeks with my 14 year old
> daughter. We lived there in 1997, and are going back to visit her school
> mates, and to see everything again. We will be staying in Palermo and
> maybe in Recoleta.
>
> When I lived there, I know I dressed so that I didn't stick out like a
> sore thumb. But after 6 years of being back in the states, I've forgotten
> how to dress. Do women go out in blue jeans at all? Dressier shorts?
> I'd like to minimize looking like a tourist as much as I can, but I also
> don't want to pack a ton of clothes.

Think European (an dress like a french spanish or italian women).
Unless you are young and shapely (as the Portenas seem to be), jeans
would make you stick out. Don;t even think about shorts.

> Is it still fairly safe in the city at night (we used to walk around our
> neighborhood, Palermo, after dark, even with the kids, although we always

*seems* to be.

> avoided parks)? How about taxis? Can we take a taxi in the city, or should
> I be pretty careful about them? (We will be riding the subway, but there

seems to be o.k. but the advice is to have a taxi called for you rather
than hail one off the street

> could be times I will want to take a taxi, too). I'd like to take her
> to go see a Tango Show, and I recall getting out late from the ones we
> would go see.
>
> We both speak spanish, but I'm sure our American accent will be strong now.
>
> Also, any ideas on some gifts to bring for 8th graders, and parents? (We
> used to bring Barbies & other toys in from the states for birthday gifts,
> but I don't think that will work anymore 8^)
>
> Thanks!

Not the Karl Orff <canwine@nome.com> wrote in message news:<canwine->
> Think European (an dress like a french spanish or italian women).
> Unless you are young and shapely (as the Portenas seem to be), jeans
> would make you stick out. Don;t even think about shorts.


I disagree with the comment here about not wearing jeans. Everyone
wears jeans these days. I was in BsAs this past January, and the most
common outfit women wore out to dinner and bars was a fashionable pair
of jeans with a nicer top, and high-heeled strappy sandals. Also,
jeans were the standard pair of pants for walking around during the
day. (I was also in Italy a few months ago- and a lot of stylish women
had on the same outfit I just described). Of course, I am not talking
about your basic pair of grungy Levis.


>
> > Is it still fairly safe in the city at night (we used to walk around our
> > neighborhood, Palermo, after dark, even with the kids, although we always


> > avoided parks)? How about taxis? Can we take a taxi in the city, or should
> > I be pretty careful about them? (We will be riding the subway, but there
>

BsAs was a safe as any large city- even more so than many cities in
the USA. We hailed official taxis from the street constantly. We also
walked around at night- in the better neighborhoods- between
restaurants and bars. I wouldn't worry about BsAs any more than I
would worry about San Francisco, Vancouver, Munich, Paris... etc.


Simone

ps. the above email address is not currently maintained

>
> Think European (an dress like a french spanish or italian women).
> Unless you are young and shapely (as the Portenas seem to be), jeans
> would make you stick out. Don;t even think about shorts.
>


I just disagreed with the comment on jeans, but I suppose I was
thinking of myself and my friends (ages 27 - 39) who all look fine in
jeans. I suppose if the jeans make you look frumpy or grungy, then I
would not wear jeans. Notwithstanding my comments, people seem to
dress very similarly from one cosmopolitan city to another. Media,
movies, television, etc. are contributing to the narrowing gap in
diversity of dress among the fashionable, semi-fashionable and young
people throughout the world- IMHO.

Yes, no jeans for grownups (except to go morning shopping in your
neighbourhood or supermarket), no shorts at all, simple low coloured
skirt or trousers, fashionable shirt, leather shoes, stockings, very
few make-up, very few bijouterie.

Always fairly safe at night. Delicious ice-creams for kids (and
parents) in November (and all the year).

Returning from shows is as late as always, no difference.

Taxis in downtown no problem at all, but in lonely zones better to
call one by phone (numbers written on cars); plenty of phones
everywhere. In general do not take taxis lined outside malls or
stations, just walk 50 meters and take one in the street or call it by
phone giving the address where you are. Ask number of cab.

Subway very clean, cheap (US$ 0,24) and fast, but only from 05:00 to
22:15. Lines B and D are now longer of some five or six stations in
all.

No Barbies at all, they are considered flashy. Gifts better
appreciated by Argentines are clothes, fine ones like good wool
sweaters, very fine T-shirts, ties, handkerchiefs or little rings or
bijouterie, but all must be very sober and fine, though not
necessarily expensive. Do never offer striking clothes: they will not
be worn. You must show that choosing gifts you were thinking in the
gifted person's taste.

Oscar

oscaratoledom (Oscar) writes:


> No Barbies at all, they are considered flashy. Gifts better
> appreciated by Argentines are clothes, fine ones like good wool
> sweaters, very fine T-shirts, ties, handkerchiefs or little rings or
> bijouterie, but all must be very sober and fine, though not
> necessarily expensive. Do never offer striking clothes: they will not
> be worn. You must show that choosing gifts you were thinking in the
> gifted person's taste.
>
> Oscar

We will visit my daughter's former school, and I'm trying to think of
something I could bring for all of the kids (25 8th graders, mostly girls but
also a few boys). Do you know of the latest "thing" for teens down there?
Do the teens wear woven bracelets or silver rings? Also, I am thinking that
anything (like t-shirts) with the American flag are to be avoided--is
that true?

Liz

--
Elizabeth Zaenger, Unix Support
Departmental Computing Organization
University of Michigan, Electrical Engineering and Computer Science Dept.

>
> We will visit my daughter's former school, and I'm trying to think of
> something I could bring for all of the kids (25 8th graders, mostly girls but
> also a few boys). Do you know of the latest "thing" for teens down there?
> Do the teens wear woven bracelets or silver rings? Also, I am thinking that
> anything (like t-shirts) with the American flag are to be avoided--is
> that true?
>
> Liz

Many teens do certainly wear woven bracelets and silver rings. Some of
them(boys) in their ears, but this should be avoided because of
parental anger. The American flag is not necessarily to be avoided at
all. T-shirts with any American symbol, University or State/City name,
football team, etc., would be appreciated. Anti-American sentiment is
seen in Argentina as a folkloric feeling for some lefty people, but
not respected at all.

Oscar

On my trips to Argentina, I have usually taken along T-shirts for the
younger relatives I will be seeing while there. In 1993, because I live in
Chicago, I took T-shirts for the Chicago Bulls basketball team, at a time
when the Bulls and Michael Jordan were well known down there. The kids loved
the T-shirts. I had others for the Chicago Cubs (baseball) and the Chicago
Bears (football), but it was the Bulls shirts that were the most popular.


"Oscar" <oscaratoledom> wrote in message
news:7b62a583.0309261421.6a10ba90@c om...
> >
> > We will visit my daughter's former school, and I'm trying to think of
> > something I could bring for all of the kids (25 8th graders, mostly
girls but
> > also a few boys). Do you know of the latest "thing" for teens down
there?
> > Do the teens wear woven bracelets or silver rings? Also, I am thinking
that
> > anything (like t-shirts) with the American flag are to be avoided--is
> > that true?
> >
> > Liz
>
> Many teens do certainly wear woven bracelets and silver rings. Some of
> them(boys) in their ears, but this should be avoided because of
> parental anger. The American flag is not necessarily to be avoided at
> all. T-shirts with any American symbol, University or State/City name,
> football team, etc., would be appreciated. Anti-American sentiment is
> seen in Argentina as a folkloric feeling for some lefty people, but
> not respected at all.
>
> Oscar

"Oscar" <oscaratoledom> escribió en el mensaje
news:7b62a583.0309261421.6a10ba90@c om...
.. Anti-American sentiment is
> seen in Argentina as a folkloric feeling for some lefty people, but
> not respected at all.
>

Logically... Argentina is in America, as far as I know.

EE

"E.Enderiz" <eenderiz@mi.madritel.com> wrote in message news:<bl75h1$fgn1@noticias.madritel.es>...
> "Oscar" <oscaratoledom> escribió en el mensaje
> news:7b62a583.0309261421.6a10ba90@c om...
> . Anti-American sentiment is
> > seen in Argentina as a folkloric feeling for some lefty people, but
> > not respected at all.
> >
>
> Logically... Argentina is in America, as far as I know.
>
> EE

Well, many people in other countries within the Americas hate the
Americans! and that is what I call anti-American feeling. Argemtina is
in fact half in South America, half in Europe.

Oscar