Bikes: Tire recommedations needed

[WhiteTea]

I have a ' 74 Raleigh 3-speed. I want some tires with more thread
than the typical Walmart brand.

There is quite of bit of extra room as far as a tires get close to
touching the fender.

I currently have a 26x1 and 3 eights, a shop said I could go to a
26x1.5 but I did not want to pay $35.00.

I had a flat about 5 miles from my house today, so I am looking for
ideas for reducing that.
(Sidewalks are favorite places for bone-heads to throw their beer
bottles.)

Thanks,
Andy

[Hank Wirtz]

On Mar 21, 7:36*am, landotter <landot...@**********> wrote:

>
> That's the only 590 tire they stock, FWIW.

No, they stock models by Kenda and Innova as well. They're OUT OF
stock on those at the moment, but the Kenda has an ETA of Friday. No
ETA on the Innova. Either way, the Conti's the better choice.

[landotter]

On Mar 21, 12:06*pm, Hank Wirtz <h...@wirtznet.net> wrote:
> On Mar 21, 7:36*am, landotter <landot...@**********> wrote:
>
>
>
> > That's the only 590 tire they stock, FWIW.
>
> No, they stock models by Kenda and Innova as well. They're OUT OF
> stock on those at the moment, but the Kenda has an ETA of Friday. No
> ETA on the Innova. Either way, the Conti's the better choice.

They listed the Kendas wrong, didn't see them under city tires. All
three tires are old fashioned thick gumwalls, not that there's
anything wrong with that. My choice would be cheapo Kendas with Mr.
Tuffys.

[Peter Cole]

landotter wrote:
> On Mar 21, 12:06 pm, Hank Wirtz <h...@wirtznet.net> wrote:
>> On Mar 21, 7:36 am, landotter <landot...@**********> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> That's the only 590 tire they stock, FWIW.
>> No, they stock models by Kenda and Innova as well. They're OUT OF
>> stock on those at the moment, but the Kenda has an ETA of Friday. No
>> ETA on the Innova. Either way, the Conti's the better choice.
>
> They listed the Kendas wrong, didn't see them under city tires. All
> three tires are old fashioned thick gumwalls, not that there's
> anything wrong with that. My choice would be cheapo Kendas with Mr.
> Tuffys.

Since you brought it up, I've often wondered what the advantage is to
"gumwalls". They're a lot heavier, have more RR, what's the up side?

[landotter]

On Mar 21, 2:59*pm, Peter Cole <peter_c...@************> wrote:
> landotter wrote:
> > On Mar 21, 12:06 pm, Hank Wirtz <h...@wirtznet.net> wrote:
> >> On Mar 21, 7:36 am, landotter <landot...@**********> wrote:
>
> >>> That's the only 590 tire they stock, FWIW.
> >> No, they stock models by Kenda and Innova as well. They're OUT OF
> >> stock on those at the moment, but the Kenda has an ETA of Friday. No
> >> ETA on the Innova. Either way, the Conti's the better choice.
>
> > They listed the Kendas wrong, didn't see them under city tires. All
> > three tires are old fashioned thick gumwalls, not that there's
> > anything wrong with that. My choice would be cheapo Kendas with Mr.
> > Tuffys.
>
> Since you brought it up, I've often wondered what the advantage is to
> "gumwalls". They're a lot heavier, have more RR, what's the up side?

You can run them at 10psi and scuff them on curbs and generally abuse
them. Good for parallel parking. I hate the way they ride. ;-)

[Nick L Plate]

On 23 Mar, 20:53, John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetrem...@jt10000.com>
wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Mar 2009 13:25:05 -0700 (PDT), Nick L Plate
>
> <tj-j...@******************> wrote:
> >Tubular racing tyres are still patterned, *explain.
>
> Some are and some aren't.

So thin treaded tyres have no pattern because there is no depth of
rubber, that is why un patterned tread generally have lower rolling
resistance on a steel roller, there is less rubber, therefore less
milage on the road.

TJ

[Nick L Plate]

On 25 Mar, 06:05, Nick L Plate <tj-j...@******************> wrote:
> On 23 Mar, 20:53, John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetrem...@jt10000.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 23 Mar 2009 13:25:05 -0700 (PDT), Nick L Plate
>
> > <tj-j...@******************> wrote:
> > >Tubular racing tyres are still patterned, *explain.
>
> > Some are and some aren't.
>
> So thin treaded tyres have no pattern because there is no depth of
> rubber, that is why un patterned tread generally have lower rolling
> resistance on a steel roller, there is less rubber, *therefore less
> milage on the road.

With more punctures per mile.

TJ

[Nick L Plate]

On 25 Mar, 17:57, Phil W Lee <phil(at)lee-family(dot)me(dot)uk> wrote:
> Nick L Plate <tj-j...@******************> considered Tue, 24 Mar 2009
> 23:05:55 -0700 (PDT) the perfect time to write:
>
> >On 23 Mar, 20:53, John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetrem...@jt10000.com>
> >wrote:
> >> On Mon, 23 Mar 2009 13:25:05 -0700 (PDT), Nick L Plate
>
> >> <tj-j...@******************> wrote:
> >> >Tubular racing tyres are still patterned, *explain.
>
> >> Some are and some aren't.
>
> >So thin treaded tyres have no pattern because there is no depth of
> >rubber,
>
> No, they have no pattern because it works better.
>
> > * * * * *that is why un patterned tread generally have lower rolling
> >resistance on a steel roller, there is less rubber, *therefore less
> >milage on the road.
>
> No, the extra resistance on a patterned tread comes mostly from the
> tread blocks moving around under load.
> This (among other things) causes them to wear faster, because they
> absorb more energy.
> The pattern picks up debris more than slick rubber, so without
> reinforcement, you get more punctures.
>
> The contact patch of a bicycle tyre is small enough that it IS the
> tread pattern.

Racing tyres do not have tread blocks. Those tyres that have "blocks"
do not quickly wear out the pattern. A thicker tread will almost
always absorb more energy. That is the trade off with a long tread
life. A racing tyre tread does not have vertical cuts in the tread,
the pattern is at 45deg to the surface. It may take quite a while
before the centre of a patterned racing type tread is worn in the
centre, still providing the grippy patterned tread towards the edges
for cornering.

Considering the recent revelations that the rolling resistance tests
showing wired-on tyres generally superior to tubular tyres were flawed
inasmuch a swhile the w-o tyres were optimally mounted, the tubular
tyres were mounted with thin inadequate layers of gum rather than a
proper thickness of a hard cement. It certainly brings in doubt about
the supposed superiority of unpatterned tread. Patterned treads
definitely do have a directional bias, and if tested the wrong way
round, will possibly produce an inferior result to an un-patterned
tread. A supple casing and reasonable tyre width along with
coservative pressure do much to improve road grip. In a lot of cases
with wired-ons it is not desirable to lower tyre pressure for
increased cornering grip in the wet because of the great risk of
pinching the tyre edge either on a corner causing a fall or at any
time causing a puncture. A short contact patch of tyre needs all the
help it can get when there are puddles and/or algae to contend with.

Can you point to good tyre tests, in the wet for cornering force
comparing optimally mounted tyres at optimal pressures. I believe
the 2-ply road racing tread tubular with latex tube will prove to be
superior in cornering force in difficult conditions every time.

TJ

[WhiteTea]

Chalo wrote:
And I find it
> frustrating that treaded tires pick up little rocks and bits of debris
> that slicks don't.

You may want to install a thing called a fender.

Eliminates those really cool "mud stripes" on your shirt as well. :-)

Andy

[Nick L Plate]

On 28 Mar, 18:41, WhiteTea <WhiteTea77...**********m> wrote:
> Chalo wrote:
>
> * And I find it
>
> > frustrating that treaded tires pick up little rocks and bits of debris
> > that slicks don't.
>
> You may want to install a thing called a fender.
>
> Eliminates those really cool "mud stripes" on your shirt as well. :-)
>

A mudguard. Which of course reminds me, those that use non-patterned
tyres, tend also not to use mudguards so tend not to ride in the
rain. They therefore do not have the experience of how to cope with
bad weather and are not the people to ask.

TJ