Bud commitment commercial

[Eideigssei]

> Get a bottle of Budvar and taste from where
> Bud came.

A-B's Budweiser was originally brewed BEFORE Budevoicky Pivovar started
brewing. It's kinda hard to base your product on one that came a few
years later, isn't it? A-B based the "Budweiser" name on the town's
brewing tradition, not on any particular beer, and back when it was
first introduced, it wasn't the only "Budweiser" brand produced in the
USA.

[Joel]

John S. <hjsjms@cs.com> wrote:
>Ah, yes then I'm sure you find their statements about large brewers
>attempting worldwide domination by providing corn drinks to be
>completely "factual" and "unemotional".

First off, you're conflating multiple statements by multiple
people. Second, A-B certainly wants to dominate the world
beer market. Their shareholders demand it. Or would you
assert that they are trying to be a two-bit player in a
strictly local market? If you can provide data that shows
Anheuser-Busch isn't competing in the global market, and
doesn't seek to sell more than their competitors (that's
the meaning of the word "domination") please do so. While
you're at it, explain it's somehow unfactual and emotional
to simply point out these facts.

>And since you are focused on "literacy" why do you use nonsense words
>and incomplete sentences.

The same reason you failed to use a question mark at the
end of that question. Style.

[Steve Jackson]

> You hit it there, ****. Some of us have been around
> awhile, and really know beer. *All* beer, not just Bud,
> Miller, and Coors. We've researched the history, consumed
> beer in various locations in and out of the US, and pretty
> much have never seen a beer we wouldn't try-- and give an
> honest, informed opinion of.

And - *shudder* - some of us even enjoy the occasional mass-market pale
lager.

And, to springboard off of something you stated in another post in this
thread, I've toured the Coors brewery and was amazed by what they do
there. To do everything from malting to pakcaging, and do so
consistently, let alone on such an enormous scale, is nothing short of
amazing. And brewery-fresh Coors Banquet Beer (not sure if they still
call it that, but it's the original) is actually not a bad drop at all.

> Every once in awhile somebody pops up as a self-appointed
> defender of the pedestrian. It's an easy gig, since there
> are many more people who support the lowest common denominator
> than there are those who really appreciate excellence, so
> he (and it's always a he) has a built-in audience.

And the irony is, those defenders of the common man (not that the common
man asked for defending) invariably end up doing the very same thing
they accuse others of. They make the same assumptions they accuse others
of making (often very inaccurately), they present themselves as the
arbiters of good taste while accusing others of doing the same thing,
and they make some of the most basic errors in argument that exist (ad
hominem, appeal to popularity, straw man).

I can't speak for other posters here, but I know for myself (and I'd
venture to say for you, as I've known you in one fashion or another for
more than a decade), I don't actually bash people's choice of Bud,
Miller, etc. At the end of the day, people drink what they enjoy. I'm
never going to begrudge anyone that.

But neither am I going to pretend that all products are of equal
quality, or that quality even has a single criterion upon which it can
be judged. (Yet another logical error on the part of most of the
self-appointed defenders of the common man.)

-Steve

[Steve Jackson]

John S. wrote:

> Ah, yes then I'm sure you find their statements about large brewers
> attempting worldwide domination by providing corn drinks to be
> completely "factual" and "unemotional".

You've apparently not noticed, but we're actually different people. Who
say different things. The only thing we have in common in this thread is
finding you an ignorant, insufferable bore.

Please show me where I've mentioned anything about any brewer and world
domination. All my posts are there for the searching on Google Groups.
It shouldn't be that hard to find that, if indeed I said it.

Or are you simply lumping together people who disagree with you into one
group? How very "factual" and "unemotional" of you.

-Steve

[Steve Jackson]

> Get a bottle of Budvar and taste from where
> Bud came. They are not even close.

Of course they're not. They've never been the same beer. Nor did A-B's
Budweiser come from Budvar's Budweiser. They're two entirely different
beers, just as Michelob and Anchor Steam are two entirely different beers.

And, as pointed out elsehwere in the thread, A-B brewed a beer called
"Budweiser" years before Budvar was produced.

-Steve

[No Poster]

Steve Jackson <stv.jackson@************> wrote in
news:W2__j.9092$ED6.4082@trnddc02:

> No Poster wrote:
>
>> Get a bottle of Budvar and taste from where
>> Bud came. They are not even close.
>
> Of course they're not. They've never been the same beer. Nor did A-B's
> Budweiser come from Budvar's Budweiser. They're two entirely different
> beers, just as Michelob and Anchor Steam are two entirely different
> beers.
>
> And, as pointed out elsehwere in the thread, A-B brewed a beer called
> "Budweiser" years before Budvar was produced.
>
> -Steve

Which dates are being used here? 1265, 1532 or 1895?

[Steve Jackson]

> Steve Jackson <stv.jackson@************> wrote in
> news:W2__j.9092$ED6.4082@trnddc02:

>>
>> And, as pointed out elsehwere in the thread, A-B brewed a beer called
>> "Budweiser" years before Budvar was produced.

>
>
> Which dates are being used here? 1265, 1532 or 1895?

1895. The company that brews Budvar was founded in that year. Earlier
years are irrelevant as 1) light lagers did not exist in either year and
2) "Budweiser" is simply the German word for denoting "from Budweis".
It's the same as calling something "Londoner".

A-B started selling a beer called Budweiser in 1876. If Wikipedia is
right, they registered the trademark two years later. A different
Budejovice brewery sold a Budweiser beer in the States a bit before A-B,
but that's not the same company as Budejovicky Budvar.

Really, the only (and better) case to be made is that "Budweiser" is a
generic description just like "Pilsner", and that A-B's product is a
poor example of the style, much as Miller Lite's a poor example of a
pilsner.

[John S.]

On May 27, 4:12*pm, Steve Jackson <stv.jack...@************> wrote:
> John S. wrote:
> > Ah, yes then I'm sure you find their statements about large brewers
> > attempting worldwide domination by providing corn drinks to be
> > completely "factual" and "unemotional".
>
> You've apparently not noticed, but we're actually different people. Who
> say different things. The only thing we have in common in this thread is
> finding you an ignorant, insufferable bore.
>
> Please show me where I've mentioned anything about any brewer and world
> domination. All my posts are there for the searching on Google Groups.
> It shouldn't be that hard to find that, if indeed I said it.
>
> Or are you simply lumping together people who disagree with you into one
> group? How very "factual" and "unemotional" of you.
>
> -Steve

I think the term effete snobism describes quite clearly the group
mentality of possibly a half-dozen people here on *****beer. When the
much larger world of beer drinkers enjoys their beverage of choice the
reaction of this small group is not to wish them well in their
pleasures while also describing the added taste possible with micro-
brewed beers. Rather they go out of their way to make sneering nasty
comments about the beers that give the vast majority of beer drinkers
pleasure. Imagine how much information and possibly education you and
the rest of this little mutual appreciation society could provide if
you just stayed positive in your comments. After all it is only beer
and not world peace that we are discussing.

[Joel]

John S. <hjsjms@cs.com> wrote:
>I think the term effete snobism describes quite clearly the group
>mentality of possibly a half-dozen people here on *****beer. When the
>much larger world of beer drinkers enjoys their beverage of choice the
>reaction of this small group is not to wish them well in their
>pleasures while also describing the added taste possible with micro-
>brewed beers. Rather they go out of their way to make sneering nasty
>comments about the beers that give the vast majority of beer drinkers
>pleasure.

A few do that, and a few overreact and overgeneralize in the
opposite way. Both sides of that are equally "guilty." <shrug>

How about addressing actual points of discussion, rather than
simply emotionally overreacting and lumping everyone into the
same pile, ignoring facts that you don't like, etc?

>After all it is only beer and not world peace that we are discussing.

There's a saying about pots and kettles that comes to mind here.