Pay at Destination

On Fri, 02 May 2008 16:49:23 +1000, David Johnson
<usenet@trainman.id.au> wrote:

> > and that their current ticket might be worn and they want a new one for
> > the next week. If the machines took the old ticket and issued a new one
> > it might be more acceptable.
>
> It does issue a new ticket with the revised expiry date printed. See
> above: "collect a new ticket with any change."

Thanks for the info. Sounds good to me.
--
Steven

On Sun, 04 May 2008 11:06:21 +1000, kerry wrote:

> This has to be the best and simplest idea I've seen. They are using the
> new tap on a screen type credit/debt cards that have not reached Oz yet.
>
> It's amazing that you can tap a card/tag on the screen and it will
> search a database, charge you and open the barrier in a second or two.
> That's progress!

Non contact debit/credit cards 'scare' me. Means any one with a stolen
reader can read your details by just brushing past you. If the banks
think they will be able to keep the technique for read the cards a secret
they are dreaming. Stolen card data is simply worth too much to organised
crime.

The fact that the subway card read is working so fast means it isn't
actually verifying the card with the bank, it's just recording the data
and reconciling it later.

Smart card ticketing systems ala London Oyster and Singapore Ezlink
store data on the card, it doesn't have to look up any databases at the
time of 'tap in', it just exchanges data with the card and works out the
back end stuff 'offline'. You could, if you have the equipment, encode
false data and defraud the operator, but unlike the Credit card case,
it's hardly worth the trouble.

Matthew Geier <matthew@no.sleeper.no.apana.no.org.no.au> wrote:

> Means any one with a stolen reader can read your details by
>just brushing past you.

Do you have any hard evidence to support this assertion?

Bill Bolton
Sydney, Australia

Matthew Geier <matthew@no.sleeper.no.apana.no.org.no.au> wrote:

> Hard evidence is hard come to come by

So that's a definite NO then. <rolls eyes>

Bill Bolton
Sydney, Australia

On Wed, 14 May 2008 07:35:34 +1000, David Johnson wrote:

> Ray Murphy wrote:
>> "TimB" <timburford@onetel.net> wrote in message
>> news:b6586505-a95e-45a4-83f1-
e9e203e1c57b@m45g2000hsb.************.com...
>>> On May 5, 10:35 pm, C. Dewick <cra...@lios.apana.org.au> wrote:
>>>> Bill Bolton <billbol...@computer.org> writes:
>>>>> Matthew Geier <matt...@no.sleeper.no.apana.no.org.no.au> wrote:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>> Deutsche Bahn is now trialling a system which tracks your journey
>>> through a mobile phone and then deducts the fare afterwards.
>>> Tim
>>
>> RM: The simple solution is for all pasengers to have a barcode on
>> either a bracelet, watchband or clip-on tag so they can be debited
>> monthly via a credit card, debit card.
>
> I have a barcode font in my computer. Does that mean I could print out
> a bar code with someone else's number, and they would pay for my fare?

Nah, bar codes are old tech. Every one gets a unique RFID code chip
implanted at birth and the chip code is read wireless as you walk through
certain area.
Basically implant a road style e-tag.

I've already heard of a asset control system were every item in the
building is 'chipped' and if you try to remove it without authorisation
an alarm goes off. People have to swipe their ID cards in the door to
leave as well as enter the building, so the system compares the items
it's detected you are carrying as you swipe out with the loans register.

Athol wrote:
>
> No, you don't get anarchy in a totalitarian state where the state knows
> exactly where you are at all times.
>
> If you haven't read it, try reading Orson Wells' book 1984. The concepts
> are similar.

Um ... I've never heard of a book of that title by Orson Well(e)s.
George Orwell's "Nineteen Eighty-Four" is pretty well known though.

Paul Westcott

Ray Murphy wrote:

>
> RM: We don't actually ~have~ a problem. It's railways that are cutting
> corners and trying to make a profit out of a public service without
> adequate staff, who have a ticketing problem of their own making.
>
> More and more passengers will avoid their crummy systems while they
> risk being arrested, summonsed and convicted for not knowing the rules
> and not having the correct ticket, or risk being assaulted on or near
> railway property because of insufficient staff. It seems as if they
> are totally clueless about what travelling customers need and want.
>

What customers want for a rail system is easy.

They want to turn up at a station when it suits them, wait 2 or 3
minutes maximum, then whisked to their destination with a minimum of
stops, fuss and in relative comfort.

"Knowing the rules" (whatever you mean by that I have no idea - perhaps
you are talking about feet on seats. That is a manners issue and should
not need laws. But I concede we live in a real world)) or worrying about
the right ticket or personal safety should not be issues that the
average passenger should not have to even think about.

The vast majority of passengers can & do have no trouble obtaining the
correct ticket for their journey and indeed are willing to pay a fair
price for it.

Most ticket systems do provide adequately for most people, the question
is how to deal with the small minority who intentionally or mistakenly
defraud the system?

Having multiple ticket inspectors pouncing on one person, hardly seems
like a solution. Speeding motorists aren't treated like that.

Kevin Martin