Tulloch electric motor car

The Tulloch electric motor car which is at Thirlmere at the moment, is
it intended to get it running again?? You would think that unless
there are body fatigue issues, it wouldn't take a great deal of work.
This car i think is the one which sat out in front of Chullora for
years. These 4 experimental cars were the first driving double deck
passenger carriages in the world. 2 of them got cut up i think and
the last one ended it's days running around as a converted trailer
car. You could tell this car by the covered in windows at one end and
it had normal S set type bogies under it.

<intheshantym.au> wrote in message
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> The Tulloch electric motor car which is at Thirlmere at the moment, is
> it intended to get it running again?? You would think that unless
> there are body fatigue issues, it wouldn't take a great deal of work.
> This car i think is the one which sat out in front of Chullora for
> years. These 4 experimental cars were the first driving double deck
> passenger carriages in the world. 2 of them got cut up i think and
> the last one ended it's days running around as a converted trailer
> car. You could tell this car by the covered in windows at one end and
> it had normal S set type bogies under it.
>


C3804 is at Thirlmere and I think its just a static.Although the internal
lighting works in it. The other Tulloch motor car that was converted to a
trailer is T4799 and was mainly confined to Sector 3 workings until its
demise.

Nate

On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 15:27:45 +1100, Nathan Cox wrote:

>
> <intheshantym.au> wrote in message
> news:1173748203.936683.94090@j27g2000cwj. ...
>> The Tulloch electric motor car which is at Thirlmere at the moment, is
>> it intended to get it running again?? You would think that unless
>> there are body fatigue issues, it wouldn't take a great deal of work.


> C3804 is at Thirlmere and I think its just a static.Although the internal
> lighting works in it.

It's missing most of it's control/traction power systems. It would a
MAJOR operation to restore it to working order, and in the end it would
wouldn't be representive, as since it was a one-off you won't be replacing
the missing parts with some thing the same or similar as they are
unavailable, you would be shoe-horning in the control system from a later
DD power car into it.
You might as well stick to running gear only and cut it in as a trailer
in a consist with series build power cars.

On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 06:47:56 +1100, Matthew Geier
<matthew@wibble.sleeper.apana.org.au> wrote:

>
>> C3804 is at Thirlmere and I think its just a static.Although the internal
>> lighting works in it.
>
> It's missing most of it's control/traction power systems. It would a
>MAJOR operation to restore it to working order, and in the end it would
>wouldn't be representive, as since it was a one-off you won't be replacing
>the missing parts with some thing the same or similar as they are
>unavailable, you would be shoe-horning in the control system from a later
>DD power car into it.
> You might as well stick to running gear only and cut it in as a trailer
>in a consist with series build power cars.


C3805, the first of the "Standard" double-deck suburban power cars,
has been slated for retention as a heritage vehicle when no longer
required for CityRail services.

Hunslet.

"rherkes" <rherkes@> wrote in message
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> On Mar 13, 7:26 pm,

Gee isn't it weird to see so many Railpage tossers in ausrail now

Nate

Hunslet wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 06:47:56 +1100, Matthew Geier
> <matthew@wibble.sleeper.apana.org.au> wrote:
>
>
>>>C3804 is at Thirlmere and I think its just a static.Although the internal
>>>lighting works in it.
>>
>>It's missing most of it's control/traction power systems. It would a
>>MAJOR operation to restore it to working order, and in the end it would
>>wouldn't be representive, as since it was a one-off you won't be replacing
>>the missing parts with some thing the same or similar as they are
>>unavailable, you would be shoe-horning in the control system from a later
>>DD power car into it.
>>You might as well stick to running gear only and cut it in as a trailer
>>in a consist with series build power cars.
>
>
>
> C3805, the first of the "Standard" double-deck suburban power cars,
> has been slated for retention as a heritage vehicle when no longer
> required for CityRail services.
>
> Hunslet.

You mean its still running? I can remember when it entered service, and
I haven't lived in Sydney for over thirty years, so it must be about 35
years old. I hope its had a few major refurbishments since then. It was
rather ordinary even when new, so it must be rather cruddy by now. I
suppose you could say its already a "heritage vehicle"! I wonder how
many km its done.

Chris

On Mar 14, 9:07 pm, Chris Bell <c...@nowhere.useful> wrote:
> Hunslet wrote:
> > On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 06:47:56 +1100, Matthew Geier
> > <matt...@wibble.sleeper.apana.org.au> wrote:
>
> >>>C3804 is at Thirlmere and I think its just a static.Although the internal
> >>>lighting works in it.
>
> >>It's missing most of it's control/traction power systems. It would a
> >>MAJOR operation to restore it to working order, and in the end it would
> >>wouldn't be representive, as since it was a one-off you won't be replacing
> >>the missing parts with some thing the same or similar as they are
> >>unavailable, you would be shoe-horning in the control system from a later
> >>DD power car into it.
> >>You might as well stick to running gear only and cut it in as a trailer
> >>in a consist with series build power cars.
>
> > C3805, the first of the "Standard" double-deck suburban power cars,
> > has been slated for retention as a heritage vehicle when no longer
> > required for CityRail services.
>
> > Hunslet.
>
> You mean its still running? I can remember when it entered service, and
> I haven't lived in Sydney for over thirty years, so it must be about 35
> years old. I hope its had a few major refurbishments since then. It was
> rather ordinary even when new, so it must be rather cruddy by now. I
> suppose you could say its already a "heritage vehicle"! I wonder how
> many km its done.
>
> Chris




No it's not still running. They took them out of service around 3 or 4
years ago. Steel fatigue was the reason apparently. There must have
been something in that as a lot got taken out of service to start with
then virtually overnight the rest got shunted out of sets in one hit.

On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 10:07:37 GMT, Chris Bell <cbell@nowhere.useful>
wrote:

>H
>> C3805, the first of the "Standard" double-deck suburban power cars,
>> has been slated for retention as a heritage vehicle when no longer
>> required for CityRail services.
>>
>> Hunslet.
>
>You mean its still running? I can remember when it entered service, and
>I haven't lived in Sydney for over thirty years, so it must be about 35
>years old. I hope its had a few major refurbishments since then. It was
>rather ordinary even when new, so it must be rather cruddy by now. I
>suppose you could say its already a "heritage vehicle"! I wonder how
>many km its done.


The car received a full refurnishment at Maintrain (how good is
that?!) last year - including the fitting of air-conditioning to the
driver's cab.

I saw the car only a couple of days ago, and it appeared to be in good
condition.

Remember that some of the single deckers introduced in 1926 lasted in
service until 1992.

Hunslet

Hunslet wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 10:07:37 GMT, Chris Bell <cbell@nowhere.useful>
> wrote:
>
>
>>H
>>
>>>C3805, the first of the "Standard" double-deck suburban power cars,
>>>has been slated for retention as a heritage vehicle when no longer
>>>required for CityRail services.
>>>
>>>Hunslet.
>>
>>You mean its still running? I can remember when it entered service, and
>>I haven't lived in Sydney for over thirty years, so it must be about 35
>>years old. I hope its had a few major refurbishments since then. It was
>>rather ordinary even when new, so it must be rather cruddy by now. I
>>suppose you could say its already a "heritage vehicle"! I wonder how
>>many km its done.
>
>
>
> The car received a full refurnishment at Maintrain (how good is
> that?!) last year - including the fitting of air-conditioning to the
> driver's cab.
>
What about the passengers? Have they fitted aircon for them too?

> I saw the car only a couple of days ago, and it appeared to be in good
> condition.
>
> Remember that some of the single deckers introduced in 1926 lasted in
> service until 1992.
>
Yes, but they were massively over-engineered, and technology did not
change as fast then. These days, you need surveillance equipment, gps
position information (pid), alarm system, automatic doors, air-con,
public address system etc. Does anyone think that these will last more
than a decade before they will need replacing? Or that new enhancements
will not be needed in a short period. My guess is that rollingstock are
replaced every 10 to 20 years everywhere except third world countries
(and they often end up with the discards). And they are built for this,
so that it is difficult to do a rebuild to a satisfactory standard
without it costing almost as much as new.

On this subject, it used to be de rigeur to use stainless steel for car
exteriors. In my recent travels in Europe I saw almost no stainless, and
the new trains in Melbourne do not use it. I presume it has just become
too expensive when cheaper alternatives can be used, but will need
repainting occasionally.

> Hunslet

Chris

On Mar 15, 8:33 am, "David Bennetts" <davibenne-nos...m.au>
wrote:
> "Hunslet" <huns...@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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>
>
>
> > On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 10:07:37 GMT, Chris Bell <c...@nowhere.useful>
> > wrote:
>
> >>H
> >>> C3805, the first of the "Standard" double-deck suburban power cars,
> >>> has been slated for retention as a heritage vehicle when no longer
> >>> required for CityRail services.
>
> >>> Hunslet.
>
> >>You mean its still running? I can remember when it entered service, and
> >>I haven't lived in Sydney for over thirty years, so it must be about 35
> >>years old. I hope its had a few major refurbishments since then. It was
> >>rather ordinary even when new, so it must be rather cruddy by now. I
> >>suppose you could say its already a "heritage vehicle"! I wonder how
> >>many km its done.
>
> > The car received a full refurnishment at Maintrain (how good is
> > that?!) last year - including the fitting of air-conditioning to the
> > driver's cab.
>
> > I saw the car only a couple of days ago, and it appeared to be in good
> > condition.
>
> > Remember that some of the single deckers introduced in 1926 lasted in
> > service until 1992.
>
> > Hunslet
>
> Used to build carriages to last. London Transport's Piccadilly Line tube
> trains are of similar vintage, and they should be in service for some time
> yet after a major refurbishment a few years back. There is even older
> stock (early 60s vintage) still working the District and Metropolitan Lines.
>
> I doubt whether anything being built today will last more than around thirty
> years, if that.
>
> Regards
>
> David Bennetts- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -

Early 60s vintage on the Met, yes. On the district they date from 78
mate. Or 69 if you're talkin' bout the C stock Wimbleware trains.