Signal upgrading near Kooyong (Vic)

Daniel Bowen wrote:

> "Paul Blair" <pblair@pcug.org.au> wrote in message
> news:beqeivgmcpi83jugd5dvdoc2n1ss969kom@...
> > Maybe it was close to last of its type, but the Kooyong tram crossing
> > has a derail and swivel head signal that is shown to trams. IIRC,
> > there was a similar set-up at Glen Huntly (and, in time, Elsternwick
> > and so on).
> >
> > 1. Are the Kooyong signals being replaced with the local signal
> > upgrading?
> > 2. Are there any signals now displayed to trams at Glen Huntly?
>
> "T" lights and derail points.
>
> > 3. Were there any other tram/train crossings in Melbourne that might
> > have had something similar?
>
> Riversdale and Glen Iris. (Glen Iris also has mini-booms).
>
> I think there was a crossing at East Kew on the Outer Circle railway. I seem
> to recall the story of a steam loco/tram collision there.

This couldn't have happened unless the tram derailed and crashed into the loco
in the cutting below :-)

From the opening of the line a bridge was provided to carry Bulleen Road, now
High Street, over the Outer Circle. The bridge still existed until the 1980's,
but "beautification" works have since eliminated the western side of it. Is the
eastern side still apparent behind Dunning's wood yard?

Paul Westcott

Daniel Bowen wrote:
> "Paul Blair" <pblair@pcug.org.au> wrote in message
>
>>3. Were there any other tram/train crossings in Melbourne that might
>>have had something similar?
>
>
> Riversdale and Glen Iris. (Glen Iris also has mini-booms).
>
> I think there was a crossing at East Kew on the Outer Circle railway. I seem
> to recall the story of a steam loco/tram collision there.
>

I think you mean Gardiner rather than Glen Iris.

Also, the train/tram prang was at Whitehorse Rd Deepdene. The tram
involved survived and lives on as Ballarat 11 - albeit not currently in
operational condition in the BTM.

"Paul Westcott" <p_gwestcott@REMOVETOREPLYoptusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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> Daniel Bowen wrote:
> > I think there was a crossing at East Kew on the Outer Circle railway. I
seem
> > to recall the story of a steam loco/tram collision there.
>
> This couldn't have happened unless the tram derailed and crashed into the
loco
> in the cutting below :-)

Harumph. You're going to make me find the book it was in, aren't you!


Daniel
--
Daniel Bowen, Melbourne, Australia
dbowen at custard dot net dot au

"Paul Westcott" <p_gwestcott@REMOVETOREPLYoptusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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> Daniel Bowen wrote:
>
> > "Paul Blair" <pblair@pcug.org.au> wrote in message
> > news:beqeivgmcpi83jugd5dvdoc2n1ss969kom@...
> > > Maybe it was close to last of its type, but the Kooyong tram crossing
> > > has a derail and swivel head signal that is shown to trams. IIRC,
> > > there was a similar set-up at Glen Huntly (and, in time, Elsternwick
> > > and so on).
> > >
> > > 1. Are the Kooyong signals being replaced with the local signal
> > > upgrading?
> > > 2. Are there any signals now displayed to trams at Glen Huntly?
> >
> > "T" lights and derail points.
> >
> > > 3. Were there any other tram/train crossings in Melbourne that might
> > > have had something similar?
> >
> > Riversdale and Glen Iris. (Glen Iris also has mini-booms).
> >
> > I think there was a crossing at East Kew on the Outer Circle railway. I
seem
> > to recall the story of a steam loco/tram collision there.
>
> This couldn't have happened unless the tram derailed and crashed into the
loco
> in the cutting below :-)
>
> From the opening of the line a bridge was provided to carry Bulleen Road,
now
> High Street, over the Outer Circle. The bridge still existed until the
1980's,
> but "beautification" works have since eliminated the western side of it.
Is the
> eastern side still apparent behind Dunning's wood yard?
>
> Paul Westcott
>
I think Daniel may have been referring to the crossing at the Deepdene
shopping area, where the Outer Circle would have crossed what is now the Box
Hill Tramline some three hundred yards on the down side of Burke Road at the
start of Whitehorse Road.

Shamus..

"Daniel Bowen" <dbowen@custardDOTnetDOT.au> wrote in message
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> "Paul Westcott" <p_gwestcott@REMOVETOREPLYoptusnet.com.au> wrote in
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> news:3F27B2E6.1FD02000@REMOVETOREPLYoptusnet.com.a u...
> > Daniel Bowen wrote:
> > > I think there was a crossing at East Kew on the Outer Circle railway.
I
> seem
> > > to recall the story of a steam loco/tram collision there.
> >
> > This couldn't have happened unless the tram derailed and crashed into
the
> loco
> > in the cutting below :-)
>
> Harumph. You're going to make me find the book it was in, aren't you!

As others have mentioned - it was at Deepdene, 4th August 1923. See "Clang
Clang Clang" p47. (There was an accident in Kew in 1920 involving a
steamroller).


Daniel
--
Daniel Bowen, Melbourne, Australia
dbowen at custard dot net dot au

Mick wrote:

> "Paul Westcott" wrote in message
>
> > From the opening of the line a bridge was provided to carry Bulleen Road,
> now
> > High Street, over the Outer Circle. The bridge still existed until the
> 1980's,
> > but "beautification" works have since eliminated the western side of it.
> Is the
> > eastern side still apparent behind Dunning's wood yard?
> >
> >
> Isn't that where the new Kew Police station is? Just over High St

No. East Kew station was at the junction of Harp Rd and High St. Dunning's
wood yard, opposite the Harp of Erin pub, used the goods service to East Kew to
get in its I-wagon loads of mallee roots etc. The impossibly high cords of
wood stacked neatly in their relatively small yard was well recognised feature
at the junction - maybe still is.

Paul Westcott

"Paul Westcott" <p_gwestcott@REMOVETOREPLYoptusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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> Mick wrote:
>
> > "Paul Westcott" wrote in message
> >
> > > From the opening of the line a bridge was provided to carry Bulleen
Road,
> > now
> > > High Street, over the Outer Circle. The bridge still existed until
the
> > 1980's,
> > > but "beautification" works have since eliminated the western side of
it.
> > Is the
> > > eastern side still apparent behind Dunning's wood yard?
> > >
> > >
> > Isn't that where the new Kew Police station is? Just over High St
>
> No. East Kew station was at the junction of Harp Rd and High St.
Dunning's
> wood yard, opposite the Harp of Erin pub, used the goods service to East
Kew to
> get in its I-wagon loads of mallee roots etc. The impossibly high cords
of
> wood stacked neatly in their relatively small yard was well recognised
feature
> at the junction - maybe still is.
>
> Paul Westcott
>
> Yes-Still is at start of winter.

Shamus
>
>