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Old 10th July 2003, 01:30 AM   #1 (permalink)
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"Burma Action Group" <burma@u.washington.edu> schreef in bericht
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> From: Washington Post: June 15, 2003
>
> I Went To Burma. Bad Move
>
> A Place Where Tourism Carries Political Baggage


You are so boring. If anything, your frequent posts encourage me to visit
Myanmar as soon as possible again. I have been twice and loved it. Many of
the locals thanked us for visiting.
(I am aware that Myanmar has a bad government. Many other countries,
including the one that you are posting from, also have a bad government.
Improve the world and start in your own neighbourhood )

Sjoerd


 
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Old 10th July 2003, 04:55 AM   #2 (permalink)
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In message <3f0cfa00$0$49115$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>, Sjoerd
<sjoerdhahahaha@xs4all.nl> writes
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snip
>
>You are so boring. If anything, your frequent posts encourage me to visit
>Myanmar as soon as possible again. I have been twice and loved it. Many of
>the locals thanked us for visiting.


If you loved Burma, you must try Zimbabwe. You'll be ecstatic!


>(I am aware that Myanmar has a bad government. Many other countries,
>including the one that you are posting from, also have a bad government.
>Improve the world and start in your own neighbourhood )
>
>Sjoerd
>
>


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Old 10th July 2003, 01:29 PM   #3 (permalink)
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"Philip Allum" <ppa@eurogrove.com> schreef in bericht
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> In message <3f0cfa00$0$49115$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>, Sjoerd
> <sjoerdhahahaha@xs4all.nl> writes
> >

> snip
> >
> >You are so boring. If anything, your frequent posts encourage me to visit
> >Myanmar as soon as possible again. I have been twice and loved it. Many

of
> >the locals thanked us for visiting.

>
> If you loved Burma, you must try Zimbabwe. You'll be ecstatic!


I have indeed heard great stories about that country, and most of the local
people are probably happy to see a tourist because they don't get many.

Sjoerd


 
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Old 10th July 2003, 01:47 PM   #4 (permalink)
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"Sjoerd" <sjoerdhahahaha@xs4all.nl> wrote in message
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> "Philip Allum" <ppa@eurogrove.com> schreef in bericht
> news:M0SuIQsunSD$EweC@eurogrove....
> > In message <3f0cfa00$0$49115$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>, Sjoerd
> > <sjoerdhahahaha@xs4all.nl> writes
> > >

> > snip
> > >
> > >You are so boring. If anything, your frequent posts encourage me to

visit
> > >Myanmar as soon as possible again. I have been twice and loved it. Many

> of
> > >the locals thanked us for visiting.

> >
> > If you loved Burma, you must try Zimbabwe. You'll be ecstatic!

>
> I have indeed heard great stories about that country, and most of the

local
> people are probably happy to see a tourist because they don't get many.
>

I know how we get you into Zimbabwe: we strongly suggest you not to go
there.


 
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Old 11th July 2003, 07:27 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Only one fail, not in Washington, much smaler town in Spain, Europe. But
you must know the government is not Mother Theresa as well regarding war in
IRAK. Absolutely agree on with the boycott issue you mention.


"Thomas F. Unke" <thf00@m> escribió en el mensaje
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> Alfred Molon <alfred_molonDELETEm> writes:
>
> >
> > This guy should go to Myanmar and tell the local people who make a

living
> > out of tourism that tourists shouldn't visit Myanmar, because Aung San
> > Suu Kyi said so.

>
> This guy sits in Washington, where he pays his taxes to a government
> which is famous for human rights abuse.
>
> Of course he never calls for a US travel boycott. About that I would
> even agree with him ;-)
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Old 11th July 2003, 08:15 AM   #6 (permalink)
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True, I believe the main reason is not crimes, human rights, regimes, etc,
it´s a matter of governments foreign affair policy and interests. Remmenber
Chile, Argentina, Uruguay, and so so many. What´s the difference?
Now Lao PDR, Cambodia , etc, not to mention Cuba, do you how many people
make a living of turism? I do. Are the regimes similar to burmese? Of course
Cuba is banned by the americans but no the others and most of the rest of
the world. Hard to understand by the way.
"Thomas F. Unke" <thf00@m> escribió en el mensaje
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> Jochen Bink <jbinkDELETE@foni.net> writes:
>
> > discomfort of supporting the state (Cambodia needs all the tourist
> > money it can get as you too know, yes). I did this at the request of
> > DASSK I admit. It seems not to be so easy to funnel your money
> > around the state-run organizations: visa fees, enforced exchange
> > rate, etc. (correct me if I'm wrong, as I said I haven't been
> > there).

>
> It seems you live in Germany. Do you know that the German government
> actively supports the Indonesian government? And that Indonesia is
> probably commiting more crimes against humanity than Myanmar? Daily
> atrocities in Aceh?
>
> You see, if you don't want to support dictatorships with your money,
> directly or indirectly, you have a hard stand.
>
> Also remember that the Thai government recently has killed more than
> 1000 alleged drug dealers. Without trial, just shot.
>
> There are many disgusting governments and Myanmar's is surely one of
> the worst in Asia. But you don't change this government if you avoid
> giving the local people some income from tourists.
>
> Just remember how extremely the Iraq people suffered under the
> embargo. Did it affect Saddam Hussein?
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Old 11th July 2003, 08:59 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Thomas F. Unke wrote:
>
> Jochen Bink <jbinkDELETE@foni.net> writes:
>
> > discomfort of supporting the state (Cambodia needs all the tourist
> > money it can get as you too know, yes). I did this at the request of
> > DASSK I admit. It seems not to be so easy to funnel your money
> > around the state-run organizations: visa fees, enforced exchange
> > rate, etc. (correct me if I'm wrong, as I said I haven't been
> > there).

>
> It seems you live in Germany. Do you know that the German government
> actively supports the Indonesian government? And that Indonesia is
> probably commiting more crimes against humanity than Myanmar? Daily
> atrocities in Aceh?
>
> You see, if you don't want to support dictatorships with your money,
> directly or indirectly, you have a hard stand.
>
> Also remember that the Thai government recently has killed more than
> 1000 alleged drug dealers. Without trial, just shot.
>
> There are many disgusting governments and Myanmar's is surely one of
> the worst in Asia. But you don't change this government if you avoid
> giving the local people some income from tourists.
>
> Just remember how extremely the Iraq people suffered under the
> embargo. Did it affect Saddam Hussein?


NO! It affected the 1 million or so children that never grew up due to
the sanctions.

Even chlorine gas that is needen in water purification plants (used all
around the world as one easily can taste) was stopped and so there is no
clean water in Iraq.

The conclusion is that the sanctions in fact murdered about 1.000.000
Iraqi children - but had no impact on the ruling people - and who had
expected anything else?

Bad, bad, bad.

/Anders

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Old 11th July 2003, 11:26 AM   #8 (permalink)
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"Miguel Cruz" <mnc@admin.u.nu> wrote in message
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> Those who imposed the sanctions failed to anticipate that Saddam Hussein
> would actually choose to keep building his silly army instead of feeding

his
> people.
>

Sillier than the US "army"?


 
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