Feeling the Need For Speed

Hello:

I currently own a 68 cherokee 180. Had it for 8 years. I'm IFR rated with
over 600 hours.

I'm looking for a faster ride for me, the Mrs. and a small dog. I'm not too
interested in a turbo to fly high as the wife and dog are opposed to flying
on O2 (I know that will put a limit on the speed, but thems the breaks!).

I have been looking at Mooney (M20J).

Any pros, cons, alternate suggestions?

Thanks in advance

Mike

On Jun 11, 8:47 pm, "mbremer216" <mbremer...@************> wrote:
> Hello:
>
> I currently own a 68 cherokee 180. Had it for 8 years. I'm IFR rated with
> over 600 hours.
>
> I'm looking for a faster ride for me, the Mrs. and a small dog. I'm not too
> interested in a turbo to fly high as the wife and dog are opposed to flying
> on O2 (I know that will put a limit on the speed, but thems the breaks!).
>
> I have been looking at Mooney (M20J).

Well the Mooney is the perfect plane for what you want to do. Its also
very, very fuel efficient. The O2 issue really depends on where you
live. I live in California so we have to wear O2 anytime we fly East
just to avoid getting rocks in our teeth.
You may want to consider the M20F as well. Its a little bit slower
than the M20J but quiet a bit less expensive.
Also, all avionics installations costs extra in a Mooney (all shops
add a Mooney sur-charge) so try to find a plane with the radios you
want vs. trying to add them yourself.

-Robert

In article <86-dnQMt7MeuZc_VnZ2dnUVZ_uLinZ2d@bresnan.com>,
Newps <nowhere@nowhere.com> wrote:

> Like I said, a few people like the door on the top. I wish I had a
> larger door but never do I think I need a door on the top.

Some Bo's have a GIGANTIC door on the side.
They have a flush mount D-handle that you rotate out 90-degrees and
twist. Anyone know which model Bo I am thinking of?

Edward A. Falk <falk@green.rahul.net> wrote:

> Any other Bonanza owners here? Do you really get 11.5 gph at 159 kts?

No, I don't.


I get 135 knots at about 9 gph. However, if I remember correctly my
Bonanza has something like 60 less HP and is 30 years older than Scotts.

--
Frank Stutzman
Bonanza N494B "Hula Girl"
Boise, ID

Edward A. Falk wrote:
> In article <YNadnRViU9CeRszVnZ2dnUVZ_h7inZ2d@bresnan.com>,
> Newps <nowhere@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> mbremer216 wrote:
>>> Hello:
>> Where do you fly and on what type of surfaces do you land? What kind of
>> room are you looking for on the inside? Bonanza's, Mooney's and 210's
>> will by far get you your best gas mileage. I made my choice and went
>> with the Bonanza. At 75% I get 178 kts true at 15 gph at best altitude.
>> At 10,000 MSL at just a hair under 65%, 19"/2300 rpm I get 159 kts
>> true burning 11.5 gph. I used to have a 182 and at the top of the green
>> in cruise I would indicate 135-140 mph, sucking down 12.5-13 gph. In
>> the Bo at 150-155 MPH indicated, 45%, I burn 8.5 gph So as you can see
>> I get damn near twice the mpg as the 182 if I want as well as the
>> capability to go 47 kts faster while still getting better mpg than the 182.
>
> What model Bo? I'm dreaming of something bigger & faster than my old
> M20C.
>
> Any other Bonanza owners here? Do you really get 11.5 gph at 159 kts?
>

I have the S35, first year of the big engine, the IO-520. For a number
of reasons I wouldn't buy one older than that. Do the math yourself, at
10K I indicate 155 MPH and I was at 19"/2300 rpm burning 11.5. I was
about 30 degrees lean of peak so I could have gone slightly faster,
maybe another 5 mph, if I wanted to go about 75 rich. I bought this
particular model because it is the first year of the six seaters. I
insure it for four. It's the year they removed the bulkhead and really
opened up the cabin, easily three times the baggage area of the 67 182 I
used to have. Plus the rear seats slide out individually, makes it
really easy to set up the interior any way you want.

John Smith wrote:
> In article <86-dnQMt7MeuZc_VnZ2dnUVZ_uLinZ2d@bresnan.com>,
> Newps <nowhere@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>> Like I said, a few people like the door on the top. I wish I had a
>> larger door but never do I think I need a door on the top.
>
> Some Bo's have a GIGANTIC door on the side.
> They have a flush mount D-handle that you rotate out 90-degrees and
> twist. Anyone know which model Bo I am thinking of?


That was an option, not sure what year they started offering that. It's
the door that's standard on the Barons. I could have that installed but
it's pretty expensive.

I am also planning on upgrading to a Bo in a year or two from my
Grumman AA5, for speed and longer range.

However I at this point won't ever consider buying a plane that can't
burn mogas (regular or premium). Therefore my best options seem to
be IO-470K powered E33 Bonanza.


On Jun 12, 7:27 pm, Newps <nowh...@nowhere.com> wrote:

> I wouldn't even consider aircraft like Arrows, 172RG's, Commanders.
> They're too slow for the additional cash it costs to insure. Jay's
> right, this is about the best time ever to buy. The longer you wait the
> better it'll get for you. I have a 64 S35 and I lowered my hull value
> for my insurance that comes due in August. The hardest part for you
> will be getting an owner to sell his plane for what it's actually worth,
> not what he thinks it's worth.

"mbremer216" <mbremer216@************> wrote in message news:TeydndSqif9wvMjVnZ2dnUVZ_jydnZ2d@************. ..
>I agree. There are a lot of speedy experimentals out there, buy there is no
> way my other half will go along.
>
> I can build a pretty good bookcase, but I wouldn't want to ride in it at 200
> mph!
>
> Mike
> "Newps" <nowhere@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:NoWdnae_0f_dB8nVnZ2dnUVZ_vudnZ2d@bresnan.com. ..
>> There's a lot of fast planes that can be built. No way, no how am I a
>> builder however, so I would never consider doing that.
>>
>>
>>


So buy one from someone...

Blueskies wrote:
>
> "mbremer216" <mbremer216@************> wrote in message
> news:TeydndSqif9wvMjVnZ2dnUVZ_jydnZ2d@************. ..
>> I agree. There are a lot of speedy experimentals out there, buy there
>> is no way my other half will go along.
>>
>> I can build a pretty good bookcase, but I wouldn't want to ride in it
>> at 200 mph!
>>
>> Mike
>> "Newps" <nowhere@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>> news:NoWdnae_0f_dB8nVnZ2dnUVZ_vudnZ2d@bresnan.com. ..
>>> There's a lot of fast planes that can be built. No way, no how am I
>>> a builder however, so I would never consider doing that.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
> So buy one from someone...

Most experimentals have that unfinished look to me. Especially the
interior. Like the designer got it done enough to fly and then said
screw it.

"Newps" <nowhere@nowhere.com> wrote in message news:TvudnQEU4biM1MjVnZ2dnUVZ_v7inZ2d@bresnan.com. ..
> Blueskies wrote:
>>
>> "mbremer216" <mbremer216@************> wrote in message
>> news:TeydndSqif9wvMjVnZ2dnUVZ_jydnZ2d@************. ..
>>> I agree. There are a lot of speedy experimentals out there, buy there
>>> is no way my other half will go along.
>>>
>>> I can build a pretty good bookcase, but I wouldn't want to ride in it
>>> at 200 mph!
>>>
>>> Mike
>>> "Newps" <nowhere@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>>> news:NoWdnae_0f_dB8nVnZ2dnUVZ_vudnZ2d@bresnan.com. ..
>>>> There's a lot of fast planes that can be built. No way, no how am I
>>>> a builder however, so I would never consider doing that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>> So buy one from someone...
>
> Most experimentals have that unfinished look to me. Especially the
> interior. Like the designer got it done enough to fly and then said
> screw it.


Well, the nice thing about the experimental is if you don't like the way the
interior is finished, you can re-do it yourself...even if you did not build
it originally...