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Old 28th May 2008, 11:55 AM   #1 (permalink)
Robert M. Gary
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On May 27, 8:06 pm, "Kobra" <ko...@*****.net> wrote:

> I couldn't reach my mechanic all night and after dinner I was telling my
> wife that we should get a hotel for the night until I could talk to my A&P
> or the mechanics at Big Sky Aviation.  She just looked at me stoically and
> asked, "Why don't we just fly home with the gear down?"


If you do you might see if you can get a gear lock installed. I've
seen them in the Mooney world. Its a physical thing that attaches to
the gear and holds it in the locked position (usually to roll it
around when the gear is not assembled). In anycase, you'll want to
have an A&P at least visually check that the gear is fully locked
before you try a gear down flight. Also, expect high CHTs.

-Robert

 
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Old 28th May 2008, 02:00 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Besides high CHTs, (and depending on where your antenna is) your
transponder operation may not be normal. I did a 200 mile gear down ferry
flight years ago, with ATC complaining that my TXPR was inop.
"Robert M. Gary" <N7093v@**********> wrote in message
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On May 27, 8:06 pm, "Kobra" <ko...@*****.net> wrote:

> I couldn't reach my mechanic all night and after dinner I was telling my
> wife that we should get a hotel for the night until I could talk to my A&P
> or the mechanics at Big Sky Aviation. She just looked at me stoically and
> asked, "Why don't we just fly home with the gear down?"


If you do you might see if you can get a gear lock installed. I've
seen them in the Mooney world. Its a physical thing that attaches to
the gear and holds it in the locked position (usually to roll it
around when the gear is not assembled). In anycase, you'll want to
have an A&P at least visually check that the gear is fully locked
before you try a gear down flight. Also, expect high CHTs.

-Robert


 
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Old 28th May 2008, 10:36 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Unbelievable.






>
> The 182RG (R182) should be similar to the 177RG. We have
> the R182, and the pump has a pressure switch that shuts off around
> 1600 psi. There are two relief valves in the system, one that relieves
> the electric pump at 1800 psi and the one that relieves the manual
> pump at 2200. Both valves and the pressure switch are supposed to get
> checked at the 100-hour inspections, as does the gear swing ("Five
> fault-free cycles," as Cessna puts it). This requires jacking the
> airplane to a ridiculous and scary height, so a lot of mechanics won't
> do it.
> The gear warning horn has two switches: One in the flap
> mechanism and the other on the carb, operated by a cam on the throttle
> shaft. The horn will sound if the throttle is reduced below a certain
> point or if the flaps are lowered below 23 degrees. The flap switch
> will make sure the horn sounds even if the throttle is in all the way.
> The green light system is wired to stop the horn when it fires. (Or
> you could turn off the master.)
> The gear-down light is operated by three microswitches, one
> for each leg, wired in series. The yellow gear-up light is wired to
> three others. The gear-down switch on the nosegear is actuated by the
> downlock mechanism, and so the nosegear must be down and locked for
> the circuit to close. The mains don't absolutely have to be locked for
> their switches to close, since they're not going anywhere after weight
> is on them anyway.
> The OP's complaint, as I think about it, is probably due to
> the nosegear's switch not closing because the hydraulic cylinder
> wasn't pulling hard enough to yank the lock into place. It wasn't
> pulling hard enough because it is bypassing fluid internally, making
> the system pressure low and keeping the pump running. The hydraulic
> systems is supposed to be overhauled every five years to replace the
> rubber bits that do this, but guess how many of them are within THAT
> limit? There's another R182 on the field here that has had that same
> bypassing problem. Fixed, now.
> So, as I see it, that OP's nosegear downlock was not locked
> (and its switch not closed) until the vibration of the wheel touching
> down shook the hydraulics a bit and made the piston seal finally catch
> and bring the pressure up, pulling the lock into place. He is SO
> lucky, especially considering that he flew the thing home again with
> no guarantee that the system would hold pressure to keep that lock
> from jumping out. And that's why the Regs require grounding an
> airplane when a defect is present.
>
> Dan
> There's a squat switch on the nosewheel scissors that prevents
> pump operation if the leg is extended.

 
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