Air Force One

"A Guy Called Tyketto" <tyketto@wizard.com.invalid> wrote in message
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> ...
> B772 (the B773 has a shorter range than the 772)? Which aircraft do you
> think should be the next Air Force One? Thoughts? Opinions?
>

I think they ought to spiff up a BUFF & use that. :)

A Guy Called Tyketto wrote:

> So, what would do you think the US gov't would do for the B742's
>version of AF1's replacement? Does the Gov't have a contract with
>Airbus, which could present the A380? Would they stay Boeing, and go
>B772 (the B773 has a shorter range than the 772)? Which aircraft do you
>think should be the next Air Force One? Thoughts? Opinions?
>
>

My understanding is that the cost of the aircraft delivered by Boeing is
less than half the total
cost of the AF1 aircraft.

Airforce one is highly modified to be both a luxury office complex for
schmoozing dignitaries
and an airborne command/control/communication center that is a 21
century version of
"Looking Glass".

If and when a new AF1 is built, it will probably have the same heavy
lift capacity of the 747 line.

Next AF1's will probably be built on C-5A airframes.

>
>

Wrong (IMHO).

The next AF1 will be small and VERY fast. 20 people, tops!

New sonic boom resistant designs, etc.

Mach 2+ a minimum to enter the bidding.

--
Montblack


"Buff5200"
<snip>
> If and when a new AF1 is built, it will probably have the same heavy
> lift capacity of the 747 line.
>
> Next AF1's will probably be built on C-5A airframes.

I don't know about that. If I remember correctly from the National
Geographic presentation, half the reason they retired their 707 was because
it couldn't carry all the people they wanted to carry comfortably. Not to
mention, I doubt you could turn a 20 passenger jet into the mobile White
House like the current jet. They also have two of them that don't fly much
and will probably be around for many many years to come. I'm willing to bet
the next Airforce One will be an aircraft that's not even on the drawling
board yet.

"Montblack" <33mo44nt55bla66ck@77wa88ve99front.com> wrote in message
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> Wrong (IMHO).
>
> The next AF1 will be small and VERY fast. 20 people, tops!
>
> New sonic boom resistant designs, etc.
>
> Mach 2+ a minimum to enter the bidding.
>
> --
> Montblack
>
>
> "Buff5200"
> <snip>
> > If and when a new AF1 is built, it will probably have the same heavy
> > lift capacity of the 747 line.
> >
> > Next AF1's will probably be built on C-5A airframes.
>
>

A lot of the costs associated with AF1 (&AF2 as it was often called) were
the electronics, sophisticated wiring systems and secure communication
links. Due to security reasons, I believe the electronics work would be
done in the US irregardless of airframe origin. The Air Force provided
extremely tight security on those aircraft as they were in the modification
stages.




"Buff5200" <BUFF5200@> wrote in message
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>
> My understanding is that the cost of the aircraft delivered by Boeing is
> less than half the total
> cost of the AF1 aircraft.
>
> Airforce one is highly modified to be both a luxury office complex for
> schmoozing dignitaries
> and an airborne command/control/communication center that is a 21
> century version of
> "Looking Glass".
>
> If and when a new AF1 is built, it will probably have the same heavy
> lift capacity of the 747 line.
>
> Next AF1's will probably be built on C-5A airframes.
>
> >
> >
>

Maybe buy European Airbus and show some solidarity with Europe rather than
it always being the other way round

"John Gaquin" <john.gaquin@> iterated.....

> "Binyamin Dissen" <postingid@dissensoftware.com> wrote in
> message
>>
>> Yeah, you Europeans were a real help in WW2.
>
> Unfair and inaccurate generalization. You have to be more
> country specific.
>
> JG
>
>>
>> And we certainly saw your support in the UN after 9/11.
>>

I can see it now....next AF1 built by a reincarnation of the
preWWII Polish PZL (with electrical system by Lucas...)

Think how many years le Grand Charles had to deal with the
less than transAtlantic range of the Caravelle (or the bitter
pill for the French Navy, when after building a new nuclear
carrier of their very own - capable of defending French
dependencies and intersts half the time, so France will not be
threatening when CdG's up on blocks in the dock - only to
discover that the only available AEW a/c came from the US - but
while saving a few francs, the designers had almost shaved away
enough flight deck to operate them).

TMO

"scott" <dkf747@junk.net> wrote in message
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>
> The current Air Force Ones [there are 2] are only about 10 years old
> or so.
>

There are currently over 3500 aircraft with the potential to be Air Force
One. The aircraft most often used to transport the President is the VC-25A,
two were delivered in 1990.

"A Guy Called Tyketto" <tyketto@wizard.com.invalid> wrote in message news:RBvNa.1304$C5.944@fe01.atl2.webusenet.com...

> The B742 is just about all phased out, with the B744 and the
> B777 doing the majority of the long haul runs of the Boeing line (yes,
> the 767 series is there, but doesn't have the range of the 747 and
> 777), So, what would do you think the US gov't would do for the B742's
> version of AF1's replacement? Does the Gov't have a contract with
> Airbus, which could present the A380? Would they stay Boeing, and go
> B772 (the B773 has a shorter range than the 772)? Which aircraft do you
> think should be the next Air Force One? Thoughts? Opinions?

If no current US manufacturer (means Boeing at this point) makes a standard
issue plane with the requisite range, I'm sure they'd just mod one of the standard
ones to get the additional range.
..

"Steven P. McNicoll" <roncachamp@> wrote in message news:OxeOa.87225$Io.7657768@newsread2.prod.itd.ear thlink.net...
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> "scott" <dkf747@junk.net> wrote in message
> news:6qkdgvo47fu0er30lmcoae8fsvnojtfh42@...
> >
> > The current Air Force Ones [there are 2] are only about 10 years old
> > or so.
> >
>
> There are currently over 3500 aircraft with the potential to be Air Force
> One. The aircraft most often used to transport the President is the VC-25A,
> two were delivered in 1990.
>

Yep, and they do use other ones than the VC-25 when the destination runway
can't accomodate it.