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Old 5th October 2008, 09:09 AM   #3 (permalink)
J.R.Guthrie
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"Michael Finfer" <finfer@> wrote in message
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> I count about 55 trains additional trains to NYP between 6 and 9 AM,
> current service only, assuming no additional trains, assuming that no


Very optimistic, but not practical. Heck, with proper operation of the
current NYP, the current tph could be just about doubled. I take that as
evidence that efficiency is not really on the agenda.

You're also talking about a huge number of dual-mode locomotives or
substantially increased electrification mileage -- neither of which are
really there.

The loop-de-loops simply won't, save perhaps what will be needed to have the
M&E get into the new tunnels -- which appear more and more iffy as time goes
on.

> Port Jervis trains get diverted to GCT by New York's grand plan for the
> Tappan Zee, assuming that NJT leaves no Erie-side service to Hoboken


You will see Port Jervis trains to GCT before you see Main Line trains to
NYP through the loops. Of course, that assumes one will live 50 years or
more and plans fon;t change in the meantime. Guys looking to chalk up new
"rare mileage" will be very old or sorely disappointed.
>
> I think there will continue to be peak hour service to Hoboken for the
> financial district folks, and those trains will continue to stop at
> Secaucus to allow transfers, but I think that you will see an LIRR-like
> effect in which essentially no NYP-bound passengers will use the Hoboken
> trains.


Given all the previous plans over the past 80 years to pull back from the
waterfront terminals, I suspect this too will be consigned to the dusbin of
transit history. We'll see the entire IND second system built first <g>.

Cheers,
Jim
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