"John Salmon" <john.e.salmon@gensheet.com> wrote in message
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> "tim....." <tims_new_home.uk> wrote in message
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>> "Roland Perry" <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote in message
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>>> In message
>>> <907bc1d3-2b3b-4a6e-a4aa-af8a4d5b23c1@25g2000hsx..com>, at
>>> 07:09:55 on Wed, 16 Jul 2008, amoglesm remarked:
>>>>The following, in particular have changed.
>>>>
>>>>- opening of CTRL shortens station to station journey time by Eurostar
>>>>- opening of CTRL disentangles Eurostar paths from those of suburban
>>>>electrics, meaning higher punctuality
>>>>- air travel suffers from higher fuel prices
>>>>
>>>>How can we hope to tell which percentage of ridership increase is due
>>>>to which of these factors? We can't. So how can we know where
>>>>ridership would be today if the CTRL were to terminate at Waterloo? We
>>>>can't.
>>>
>>> I wonder how many of those effects you list can possibly account for
>>> 190% increase in passengers from Derby, other than the move to St
>>> Pancras.
>>
>> Is that from 5 to 9?
>
> 5 to 14, surely?
or perhaps 14 + a child?