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On Jul 16, 9:42 am, Roland Perry <rol...@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>
> The same is true of using a ticket on any other "non-permitted" route,
> for example the Newark-Nottingham-London example above.
>
> That doesn't beg the underlying question, of course, but this particular
> Manchester route isn't special in any way.

Although there was this posted on the uk.l.m thread I started:

>In the case of Huddersfield to London, Huddersfield and London are both
>Routeing Points, so a fares check is not needed to determine permitted
>routes.
>
>Looking at the routeing guide shows that Huddersfield to London is valid
>by no less than *18* different combinations of maps!
>
>Included amongst these are Huddersfield - Manchester - London (err...so
>why is there a "route Manchester" ticket then?), Huddersfield -
>Sheffield - London, and Huddersfield - Doncaster - London. (The routes
>are oversimplified here, but you get the idea).

I've no idea if that is correct - nor, indeed if I've been confused in
this thread and we're not actually talking about Huddersfield to
London at all.

I can see the converstation on the train going like this:

Guard: "Can I see your ticket"
Passenger: Presents his Any Permitted ticket
Guard: "This can't be right, the price for this ticket on this train
is 245 pounds. This is a not via manchester ticket"
Passenger: "But it says any permitted"
Guard: "I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to charge you a 35 pound
excess fare"
Passenger: "So why does it say Any permitted?"

The problem is that they've got you by the short and curlies by the
time the problem comes up. Unless you're really sure (which basically
means you've committed the routeing guide to memory last night - I've
never even seen it) you're not going to start arguing on the train,
you're just going to pay, especially if it's a company paying for the
tickets - which it often is for these fully flexible fares.

I've hit a similar, but much smaller, snag once.

I wanted to travel to Redhill from Watford Junction, via London.
Because time was tight, and I know it can take hours to buy tickets at
Victoria, I bought my extension ticket at Watford Junction the night
before. I explicitly said I wanted to travel to London, then
underground to Victoria. My season ticket said Watford Junction to
London Terminals, and IIRC my extension ticket said London Terminals
to Redhill. I queried the ticket when I bought it - does this include
the underground travel - because my season ticket doesn't? "Yes - see
that little '+' sign there, that means underground travel is included.

But when I got to Euston, neither of my tickets would let me through
the barriers to the Underground. So I had to buy another underground
ticket there and then. And, of course, the barriers eat your ticket so
you haven't then got the ticket to go back and complain later. I did
point out the little '+' sign on my ticket to the guard at the
barriers at Euston Underground but he just shook his head and refused
to let me through.

Tim.