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24th April 2008, 02:05 PM

On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 15:50:47 +0100, Stimpy <stimpy1997ukm>
wrote:

>On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 08:21:03 +0100, David Hansen wrote
>> On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 23:46:36 +0100 someone who may be Charles Ellson
>> <charles@ellson.> wrote this:-
>>
>>> No it isn't, the offence(s) is/are failing to obey a road sign and/or
>>> driving without due care and attention which are matters of national
>>> traffic legislation. The local authority involvement is in originating
>>> a relevant Traffic Order not a byelaw.
>>
>> Indeed.
>>
>> I wonder if the same desperate argument would be advanced to claim
>> that it was not a criminal offence not to obey some other road sign,
>> speed limits and one way signs to take two examples, on the basis
>> that they were actually council bylaws?
>
>But they aren't council by-laws, are they?
>
Not in this instance but that could be the case in some places where
e.g. the road is not a highway for vehicular traffic, such as IIRC
some shopping precincts or bus stations. The catch for drivers is that
various road traffic offences apply in all public places, not just on
highways.

24th April 2008, 02:05 PM	#4 (permalink)
Charles Ellson Guest Posts: n/a Classified Rating: % ()	Advantages to route and traction learning On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 15:50:47 +0100, Stimpy <stimpy1997ukm> wrote: >On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 08:21:03 +0100, David Hansen wrote >> On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 23:46:36 +0100 someone who may be Charles Ellson >> <charles@ellson.> wrote this:- >> >>> No it isn't, the offence(s) is/are failing to obey a road sign and/or >>> driving without due care and attention which are matters of national >>> traffic legislation. The local authority involvement is in originating >>> a relevant Traffic Order not a byelaw. >> >> Indeed. >> >> I wonder if the same desperate argument would be advanced to claim >> that it was not a criminal offence not to obey some other road sign, >> speed limits and one way signs to take two examples, on the basis >> that they were actually council bylaws? > >But they aren't council by-laws, are they? > Not in this instance but that could be the case in some places where e.g. the road is not a highway for vehicular traffic, such as IIRC some shopping precincts or bus stations. The catch for drivers is that various road traffic offences apply in all public places, not just on highways.